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In reply to the discussion: Hegseth, with White House help, tries to distance himself from boat strike fallout [View all]mahatmakanejeeves
(67,724 posts)7. "OK, This NYT Hegseth PR piece is unbelievable, but I want to point out two specific ways why."
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Andy Craig
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It doesn't get you off the command responsibility hook to say you were too stupid and incompetent to realize you were flippantly ordering a crime.
Chris Geidner
@chrisgeidner.bsky.social
· 1h
OK, This NYT Hegseth PR piece is unbelievable, but I want to point out two specific ways why.
1. "As that operation unfolded, they said, Mr. Hegseth did not give any further orders to him."
This sentence says nothing new, and only raises further questions about WHY NOT; it does not clear him.
According to five U.S. officials, who spoke separately and on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter that is under investigation, Mr. Hegseth, ahead of the Sept. 2 attack, ordered a strike that would kill the people on the boat and destroy the vessel and its purported cargo of drugs.
But, each official said, Mr. Hegseth's directive did not specifically address what should happen if a first missile turned out not to fully accomplish all of those things. And, the officials said, his order was not a response to surveillance footage showing that at least two people on the boat survived the first blast.
Admiral Bradley ordered the initial missile strike and then several follow-up strikes that killed the initial survivors and sank the disabled boat. As that operation unfolded, they said, Mr. Hegseth did not give any further orders to him.
The officials clarified the sequence of events amid the political and legal uproar that has followed a report in The Washington Post last week. It said that Admiral Bradley ordered the second strike to fulfill a directive by Mr. Hegseth to kill everyone. The reaction has included questions about whether Mr. Hegseth specifically ordered an execution of shipwrecked sailors in violation of the laws of war.
ALT
Dec 1, 2025, 10:21 PM
@andycraig.bsky.social
It doesn't get you off the command responsibility hook to say you were too stupid and incompetent to realize you were flippantly ordering a crime.
Chris Geidner
@chrisgeidner.bsky.social
· 1h
OK, This NYT Hegseth PR piece is unbelievable, but I want to point out two specific ways why.
1. "As that operation unfolded, they said, Mr. Hegseth did not give any further orders to him."
This sentence says nothing new, and only raises further questions about WHY NOT; it does not clear him.
According to five U.S. officials, who spoke separately and on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter that is under investigation, Mr. Hegseth, ahead of the Sept. 2 attack, ordered a strike that would kill the people on the boat and destroy the vessel and its purported cargo of drugs.
But, each official said, Mr. Hegseth's directive did not specifically address what should happen if a first missile turned out not to fully accomplish all of those things. And, the officials said, his order was not a response to surveillance footage showing that at least two people on the boat survived the first blast.
Admiral Bradley ordered the initial missile strike and then several follow-up strikes that killed the initial survivors and sank the disabled boat. As that operation unfolded, they said, Mr. Hegseth did not give any further orders to him.
The officials clarified the sequence of events amid the political and legal uproar that has followed a report in The Washington Post last week. It said that Admiral Bradley ordered the second strike to fulfill a directive by Mr. Hegseth to kill everyone. The reaction has included questions about whether Mr. Hegseth specifically ordered an execution of shipwrecked sailors in violation of the laws of war.
ALT
Dec 1, 2025, 10:21 PM
It doesn't get you off the command responsibility hook to say you were too stupid and incompetent to realize you were flippantly ordering a crime.
— Andy Craig (@andycraig.bsky.social) 2025-12-02T03:21:13.031Z
Chris Geidner
@chrisgeidner.bsky.social
OK, This NYT Hegseth PR piece is unbelievable, but I want to point out two specific ways why.
1. "As that operation unfolded, they said, Mr. Hegseth did not give any further orders to him."
This sentence says nothing new, and only raises further questions about WHY NOT; it does not clear him.
According to five U.S. officials, who spoke separately and on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter that is under investigation, Mr. Hegseth, ahead of the Sept. 2 attack, ordered a strike that would kill the people on the boat and destroy the vessel and its purported cargo of drugs.
But, each official said, Mr. Hegseth's directive did not specifically address what should happen if a first missile turned out not to fully accomplish all of those things. And, the officials said, his order was not a response to surveillance footage showing that at least two people on the boat survived the first blast.
Admiral Bradley ordered the initial missile strike and then several follow-up strikes that killed the initial survivors and sank the disabled boat. As that operation unfolded, they said, Mr. Hegseth did not give any further orders to him.
The officials clarified the sequence of events amid the political and legal uproar that has followed a report in The Washington Post last week. It said that Admiral Bradley ordered the second strike to fulfill a directive by Mr. Hegseth to kill everyone. The reaction has included questions about whether Mr. Hegseth specifically ordered an execution of shipwrecked sailors in violation of the laws of war.
ALT
Dec 1, 2025, 10:16 PM
@chrisgeidner.bsky.social
OK, This NYT Hegseth PR piece is unbelievable, but I want to point out two specific ways why.
1. "As that operation unfolded, they said, Mr. Hegseth did not give any further orders to him."
This sentence says nothing new, and only raises further questions about WHY NOT; it does not clear him.
According to five U.S. officials, who spoke separately and on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter that is under investigation, Mr. Hegseth, ahead of the Sept. 2 attack, ordered a strike that would kill the people on the boat and destroy the vessel and its purported cargo of drugs.
But, each official said, Mr. Hegseth's directive did not specifically address what should happen if a first missile turned out not to fully accomplish all of those things. And, the officials said, his order was not a response to surveillance footage showing that at least two people on the boat survived the first blast.
Admiral Bradley ordered the initial missile strike and then several follow-up strikes that killed the initial survivors and sank the disabled boat. As that operation unfolded, they said, Mr. Hegseth did not give any further orders to him.
The officials clarified the sequence of events amid the political and legal uproar that has followed a report in The Washington Post last week. It said that Admiral Bradley ordered the second strike to fulfill a directive by Mr. Hegseth to kill everyone. The reaction has included questions about whether Mr. Hegseth specifically ordered an execution of shipwrecked sailors in violation of the laws of war.
ALT
Dec 1, 2025, 10:16 PM
OK, This NYT Hegseth PR piece is unbelievable, but I want to point out two specific ways why.
— Chris Geidner (@chrisgeidner.bsky.social) 2025-12-02T03:16:06.635Z
1. "As that operation unfolded, they said, Mr. Hegseth did not give any further orders to him."
This sentence says nothing new, and only raises further questions about WHY NOT; it does not clear him.
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Hegseth, with White House help, tries to distance himself from boat strike fallout [View all]
mahatmakanejeeves
Monday
OP
Hitting a damaged vessel at sea with wounded people on it is an extremely bad look
Prairie Gates
Monday
#2
New York Times: Hegseth Ordered a Lethal Attack but Not the Killing of Survivors, Officials Say
mahatmakanejeeves
Monday
#5
"OK, This NYT Hegseth PR piece is unbelievable, but I want to point out two specific ways why."
mahatmakanejeeves
Yesterday
#7
Don't care about their lies. He is the DOD lead and it falls on his head.
travelingthrulife
21 hrs ago
#11
And again, here's Pedonald throwing the military under the bus to try to save his toady,
MarineCombatEngineer
22 hrs ago
#9
We can't let them control this narrative of pretending the first strikes were legal.
travelingthrulife
21 hrs ago
#12