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mahatmakanejeeves

(67,724 posts)
Mon Dec 1, 2025, 10:15 PM Monday

Hegseth, with White House help, tries to distance himself from boat strike fallout

Source: Washington Post

Hegseth, with White House help, tries to distance himself from boat strike fallout

As Congress vows accountability, the Trump administration emphasized it was a top military commander -- not the defense secretary -- who directed the engagement.

Updated
December 1, 2025 at 8:31 p.m. EST


Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth at the White House in November. (Maxine Wallace/The Washington Post)

By Noah Robertson and Tara Copp

Officials in Congress and the Pentagon said Monday they are increasingly concerned that the Trump administration intends to scapegoat the military officer who directed U.S. forces to kill two survivors of a targeted strike on suspected drug smugglers in Latin America, as lawmakers made initial moves to investigate whether the attack constituted a war crime.

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Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/12/01/hegseth-caine-boat-strikes-caribbean/



Description at the WaPo website:

Concerns grow that Hegseth, White House aim to scapegoat admiral in deadly boat strike

As Congress vows accountability, the Trump administration emphasized it was a top military commander -- not Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth -- who directed the engagement.

By Noah Robertson and Tara Copp Updated 1 hour ago
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Prairie Gates

(6,943 posts)
2. Hitting a damaged vessel at sea with wounded people on it is an extremely bad look
Mon Dec 1, 2025, 10:52 PM
Monday

There's something almost primordial about it: even the most ethically deficient MAGA finds it at the very least distasteful.

2na fisherman

(189 posts)
4. The Admiral Did It
Mon Dec 1, 2025, 11:01 PM
Monday

When they throw him under the bus, will he take it like a good soldier or lawyer up? I wonder if a Presidential pardon is in his future. But even that won't save him from international criminal charges in The Hague. When will all the MAGA chumps realize that loyalty to this regime is a one way street?

mahatmakanejeeves

(67,724 posts)
5. New York Times: Hegseth Ordered a Lethal Attack but Not the Killing of Survivors, Officials Say
Mon Dec 1, 2025, 11:06 PM
Monday
Hegseth Ordered a Lethal Attack but Not the Killing of Survivors, Officials Say

Amid talk of war crimes, the details and precise sequence of a Sept. 2 attack on a boat in the Caribbean are facing intensifying scrutiny.


The suggestion that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth or his officials targeted shipwrecked survivors has been galvanizing because that would apparently be a war crime even if one accepts Trump officials’ broader argument for the strike campaign. Kenny Holston/The New York Times

By Charlie Savage, Julian E. Barnes, Eric Schmitt and John Ismay
Reporting from Washington
Dec. 1, 2025
Updated 9:36 p.m. ET

The Trump administration on Monday defended the legality of a Sept. 2 attack on a boat in the Caribbean Sea as calls grew in Congress to examine whether a follow-up missile strike that killed survivors amounted to a crime.

The lethal attack was the first in President Trump’s legally disputed campaign of killing people suspected of smuggling drugs at sea as if they were combatants in a war. It has started coming under intense bipartisan scrutiny in recent days amid questions about the decision to kill the initial survivors and what orders were issued by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth.

At the White House on Monday, Karoline Leavitt, the press secretary, read a statement that said Mr. Hegseth had authorized the Special Operations commander overseeing the attack, Adm. Frank M. Bradley, “to conduct these kinetic strikes.” ... She said that Admiral Bradley had “worked well within his authority and the law directing the engagement to ensure the boat was destroyed and the threat to the United States of America was eliminated.”

According to five U.S. officials, who spoke separately and on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter that is under investigation, Mr. Hegseth, ahead of the Sept. 2 attack, ordered a strike that would kill the people on the boat and destroy the vessel and its purported cargo of drugs.

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Robert Jimison contributed reporting.

Charlie Savage writes about national security and legal policy for The Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/by/charlie-savage

Julian E. Barnes covers the U.S. intelligence agencies and international security matters for The Times. He has written about security issues for more than two decades.
https://www.nytimes.com/by/julian-e-barnes

Eric Schmitt is a national security correspondent for The Times. He has reported on U.S. military affairs and counterterrorism for more than three decades.
https://www.nytimes.com/by/eric-schmitt

John Ismay is a reporter covering the Pentagon for The Times. He served as an explosive ordnance disposal officer in the U.S. Navy.
https://www.nytimes.com/by/john-ismay

mahatmakanejeeves

(67,724 posts)
7. "OK, This NYT Hegseth PR piece is unbelievable, but I want to point out two specific ways why."
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 12:01 AM
Yesterday

Reposted by Mike Masnick
https://bsky.app/profile/mmasnick.bsky.social

Andy Craig
‪@andycraig.bsky.social‬

It doesn't get you off the command responsibility hook to say you were too stupid and incompetent to realize you were flippantly ordering a crime.

‪Chris Geidner‬
‪@chrisgeidner.bsky.social‬
· 1h
OK, This NYT Hegseth PR piece is unbelievable, but I want to point out two specific ways why.

1. "As that operation unfolded, they said, Mr. Hegseth did not give any further orders to him."

This sentence says nothing new, and only raises further questions about WHY NOT; it does not clear him.

According to five U.S. officials, who spoke separately and on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter that is under investigation, Mr. Hegseth, ahead of the Sept. 2 attack, ordered a strike that would kill the people on the boat and destroy the vessel and its purported cargo of drugs.
But, each official said, Mr. Hegseth's directive did not specifically address what should happen if a first missile turned out not to fully accomplish all of those things. And, the officials said, his order was not a response to surveillance footage showing that at least two people on the boat survived the first blast.
Admiral Bradley ordered the initial missile strike and then several follow-up strikes that killed the initial survivors and sank the disabled boat. As that operation unfolded, they said, Mr. Hegseth did not give any further orders to him.
The officials clarified the sequence of events amid the political and legal uproar that has followed a report in The Washington Post last week. It said that Admiral Bradley ordered the second strike to fulfill a directive by Mr. Hegseth to kill everyone. The reaction has included questions about whether Mr. Hegseth specifically ordered an execution of shipwrecked sailors in violation of the laws of war.
ALT
Dec 1, 2025, 10:21 PM

It doesn't get you off the command responsibility hook to say you were too stupid and incompetent to realize you were flippantly ordering a crime.

Andy Craig (@andycraig.bsky.social) 2025-12-02T03:21:13.031Z


Chris Geidner
‪@chrisgeidner.bsky.social‬
OK, This NYT Hegseth PR piece is unbelievable, but I want to point out two specific ways why.

1. "As that operation unfolded, they said, Mr. Hegseth did not give any further orders to him."

This sentence says nothing new, and only raises further questions about WHY NOT; it does not clear him.

According to five U.S. officials, who spoke separately and on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter that is under investigation, Mr. Hegseth, ahead of the Sept. 2 attack, ordered a strike that would kill the people on the boat and destroy the vessel and its purported cargo of drugs.
But, each official said, Mr. Hegseth's directive did not specifically address what should happen if a first missile turned out not to fully accomplish all of those things. And, the officials said, his order was not a response to surveillance footage showing that at least two people on the boat survived the first blast.
Admiral Bradley ordered the initial missile strike and then several follow-up strikes that killed the initial survivors and sank the disabled boat. As that operation unfolded, they said, Mr. Hegseth did not give any further orders to him.
The officials clarified the sequence of events amid the political and legal uproar that has followed a report in The Washington Post last week. It said that Admiral Bradley ordered the second strike to fulfill a directive by Mr. Hegseth to kill everyone. The reaction has included questions about whether Mr. Hegseth specifically ordered an execution of shipwrecked sailors in violation of the laws of war.
ALT
Dec 1, 2025, 10:16 PM

OK, This NYT Hegseth PR piece is unbelievable, but I want to point out two specific ways why.

1. "As that operation unfolded, they said, Mr. Hegseth did not give any further orders to him."

This sentence says nothing new, and only raises further questions about WHY NOT; it does not clear him.

Chris Geidner (@chrisgeidner.bsky.social) 2025-12-02T03:16:06.635Z

mahatmakanejeeves

(67,724 posts)
6. For Trump, Hegseth's Take-No-Prisoners Approach Is a Growing Liability
Mon Dec 1, 2025, 11:19 PM
Monday
News Analysis

For Trump, Hegseth’s Take-No-Prisoners Approach Is a Growing Liability

Investigations are mounting into the legality of strikes that have killed scores of people in the waters off Venezuela


Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth with President Trump in the Oval Office earlier this year. Doug Mills/The New York Times

By David E. Sanger and Helene Cooper
David E. Sanger has covered five presidents in more than four decades at The Times, writing often about national security and issues of superpower conflict. Helene Cooper has covered the Pentagon for more than a decade, and written about national security issues for more than 30 years.

Dec. 1, 2025
Updated 6:50 p.m. ET

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has been a political problem for President Trump since his confirmation in the Senate early this year, which he survived thanks to a single, tiebreaking vote cast by Vice President JD Vance. ... He survived the leaked Signal chat episode, even when it became clear he had copied classified battle plans and pasted them into an encrypted, but unclassified, messaging chain. He blamed the press, began kicking news organizations out of the Pentagon press room and insisted they sign a pledge never to seek news not approved by his public affairs office. Almost no one signed, not even his previous employer Fox News.

Now, the political price of Mr. Hegseth’s tenure at the Pentagon has increased. As investigations mount into the legality of strikes that have killed scores of people in the waters off Venezuela, his take-no-prisoners, leave-no-survivors approach has led even Republican supporters to demand answers. So far, few have been forthcoming. ... With claims flying that Mr. Hegseth’s orders might have led to the commission of war crimes — if not by the secretary, then by senior commanders following his general orders — Mr. Trump sounded over the weekend like he was putting some distance between himself and his defense secretary.

With claims flying that Mr. Hegseth’s orders might have led to the commission of war crimes — if not by the secretary, then by senior commanders following his general orders — Mr. Trump sounded over the weekend like he was putting some distance between himself and his defense secretary. ... On Sunday evening, Mr. Trump said he would not have been comfortable with orders to kill the survivors of the first strike on the fast-running boat. “Pete said he did not order the death of those two men,” the president said. He added, “I believe him, 100 percent.” Mr. Trump also said: “I wouldn’t have wanted that. Not a second strike.”

But even as Mr. Trump was answering questions aboard Air Force One about whether his defense secretary had stepped over the legal lines with the Venezuela killings, the same defense secretary was on social media cracking jokes about the affair. Mr. Hegseth posted a meme on Sunday depicting Franklin, the turtle from a children’s book series, firing a weapon at a vessel laden with cargo from a helicopter. ... “For your Christmas wish list,” Mr. Hegseth wrote on social media. ... The joke fell flat, eliciting a storm of criticism, including from conservative social media users. “A civilized people respect life given by God and don’t treat lightly taking of life no matter how vile that life was used,” one user wrote replied to Mr. Hegseth’s post. “That meme was far from Christian. It was bloodlust.”

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David E. Sanger covers the Trump administration and a range of national security issues. He has been a Times journalist for more than four decades and has written four books on foreign policy and national security challenges.
https://www.nytimes.com/by/david-e-sanger

Helene Cooper is a Pentagon correspondent for The Times. She was previously an editor, diplomatic correspondent and White House correspondent.
https://www.nytimes.com/by/helene-cooper

mahatmakanejeeves

(67,724 posts)
8. "That's a very attractive red shirt you're wearing Admiral Bradley"
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 06:34 AM
23 hrs ago
Popehat of Serious Proportion
‪@kenwhite.bsky.social‬

That’s a very attractive red shirt you’re wearing Admiral Bradley

‪Ron Filipkowski‬
‪@ronfilipkowski.bsky.social‬
· 10h
If Admiral Bradley didn’t realize before that these cowards were setting him up to take the fall, he knows it now. Time to hire a good lawyer.


Dec 1, 2025, 9:51 PM

That’s a very attractive red shirt you’re wearing Admiral Bradley

Popehat of Serious Proportion (@kenwhite.bsky.social) 2025-12-02T02:51:32.255Z


Ron Filipkowski
‪@ronfilipkowski.bsky.social‬

If Admiral Bradley didn’t realize before that these cowards were setting him up to take the fall, he knows it now. Time to hire a good lawyer.


Dec 1, 2025, 7:44 PM

If Admiral Bradley didn’t realize before that these cowards were setting him up to take the fall, he knows it now. Time to hire a good lawyer.

Ron Filipkowski (@ronfilipkowski.bsky.social) 2025-12-02T00:43:59.798Z

MarineCombatEngineer

(17,304 posts)
9. And again, here's Pedonald throwing the military under the bus to try to save his toady,
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 09:01 AM
20 hrs ago

Kegsbreath but this time, I don't think it's going to work and all he's doing is pissing off the military.

It won't surprise me if we start seeing mass resignations in the Pentagon and elsewhere.
What that commander did was very clearly an illegal order and he should have known better and should face a Courts Martial, but he didn't give that order w/o Kegsbreath approval.

This whole regime is rotten to the core and Congress urgently needs to step up and put a stop to this regime.

travelingthrulife

(4,026 posts)
12. We can't let them control this narrative of pretending the first strikes were legal.
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 09:50 AM
19 hrs ago

They had no evidence the boats were carrying drugs.

IronLionZion

(50,511 posts)
14. The buck always stops somewhere else
Tue Dec 2, 2025, 10:22 AM
19 hrs ago

eventually they may run out of scapegoats to blame. Especially since they've been purging out anyone who does the job correctly to replace with unqualified MAGA bootlickers.

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