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AZJonnie

(1,524 posts)
21. Because it's not just the speed
Wed Sep 10, 2025, 01:39 PM
Sep 10

Last edited Wed Sep 10, 2025, 02:32 PM - Edit history (1)

It's that it's likely there's ever been advanced life on 1 in millions or billions of planets. Which means its likely the nearest planet with life is 1000's or perhaps Millions of light years away.

It's that it's likely these other advanced civilizations are going to deplete their resources and go long extinct (or revert to much less energy intensive ways of life) long before developing a technology capable of interstellar travel (like I am POSITIVE humanity is going to do) because the way that the evolution needed to create such life works, it will probably create creatures as selfish and short-sighted as we are.

It's that the physics of travelling anywhere at speeds fast enough to travel from one advanced civilization planet to another involve very, very large amounts of fuel (even if that fuel were nuclear) that would in turn cause the vessels to be so immense that it would slow them down drastically. Like the fuel would have to occupy space 1000's of times larger than the 'living area' for the beings transported.

It's that hitting a spec of space dust the size of a grain of sand would vaporize (this large) vehicle traveling at the needed speeds (i.e. significant fractions of the speed of light).

And then there's the fact that such a civilization must occur at just the correct tiny sliver of time for their society and ours to intersect in the spacetime continuum. This fact ALONE makes the occurrence highly unlikely.

And then there's the fact that we've NEVER discovered any actual evidence that it's happened, despite our fairly advanced systems of detection, and ability to chemically analyze matter.

You combine the odds involved in all the above facts (which involves multiplying many extremely tiny fractions of probabilities) and I believe the likelihood that we are regularly visited by aliens (without being able to show that it's happening) is, for all practical purposes, infinitely remote. So remote that it makes no sense to me to credulously speculate that seemingly unexplainable sky phenomena are actually alien visitations.

Lastly and conversely, I am nearly equally sure that, at some point, there HAVE been advanced civilizations capable of travel within their solar systems, as we are, in the universe. So I consider 'alien life, ever' and 'alien visitation of earth' to have astronomically different probabilities of occurrence.

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Anything to distract from Epstein. ForgoTheConsequence Sep 9 #1
Hmm Bigfoots flying spacecraft underpants Sep 9 #2
That was my first thought, too... slightlv Sep 10 #9
"I'm not going to explain it to you, you'll see exactly what it does," IronLionZion Sep 9 #3
Thanks for posting this! Gaugamela Sep 9 #4
"...appears to show a U.S. military Hellfire missile bouncing off a bright, shiny object..." LudwigPastorius Sep 9 #5
BTW, in the future you might want to post on this topic in General Discussion. LBN is heavily Gaugamela Sep 9 #6
There are no alien spacecraft visiting Earth, never has been, never will be, period, end of story AZJonnie Sep 10 #11
That's close-minded Polybius Sep 10 #12
Here's an illustration of the math involved here AZJonnie Sep 10 #14
Your math might be insufficient compared to theirs Polybius Sep 10 #15
I believe that the chances are so remote that you'd have to get into metaphysical questions to entertain the idea AZJonnie Sep 10 #22
I would imagine travel wormholes are possible of getting past the speed of light speed limit Polybius Sep 10 #25
Okay, but even if that were all true AZJonnie Sep 10 #28
Unless their planet formed a million (or even a billion) years before ours? Polybius Sep 10 #30
Taking no position on your conclusion, I think that argument is weak. thesquanderer Sep 10 #20
Because it's not just the speed AZJonnie Sep 10 #21
Valid. mahina Sep 10 #35
I'm at work now, hopefully someone else posted it there Polybius Sep 10 #16
If there is intelligent life out there, Delmette2.0 Sep 11 #37
I think it's ok as LBN not because of its content per se, but because it was shown at a congressional hearing. thesquanderer Sep 10 #18
Jeeze, not this shit again.... reACTIONary Sep 9 #7
It fell out of the epstein file cabinet and bondi gave it to him thinking it was his kompromat. PSPS Sep 10 #8
It was taken by the military for sure on October 30, 2024 Polybius Sep 10 #13
For sure? reACTIONary Sep 10 #19
It was clearly a military video Polybius Sep 10 #24
Chat GPT reACTIONary Sep 10 #32
I believe the military Polybius Sep 10 #33
OK. Maybe I missed something.... reACTIONary Sep 10 #34
The video was from the US government, and they said it was from the military Polybius Sep 11 #36
Jeezus, what does the poor guy have to do to get Buddyzbuddy Sep 10 #10
Maybe another alien autopsy. miyazaki Sep 10 #17
Or a rock from Mars proving ancient life, oh wait. Buddyzbuddy Sep 10 #23
It's trash. Jirel Sep 10 #26
It does look like a "square hit" though Polybius Sep 10 #27
Not unusual. Jirel Sep 10 #29
I get what you're saying, that there's a possibly that it wasn't hard enough to detinate Polybius Sep 10 #31
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