UFOs, ghosts, bigfoot

I’m not saying….

although, distraction not just from Epstein, but from everything falling apart because of trump. A distraction from the public booing him every chance they get. And what better way than to bring out a "never before seen" UFO, presented to you by a "show me" state republican!

Sure fits the distraction mold! (LOL)

Which is GOP speak for they are hoping viewers are not going to remember that has been an active war zone with tons of missiles and drones flying around. It's hard to intercept a missile. So it can appear to bounce.



But if you're trying to distract MAGA idiots from Epstein:

Well, now we're just pissing them off.

monitored, and they’ll likely lock the thread. As PCIntern and others have shown, there are many here interested in this topic, but they don’t want to stick their necks out because of the reflexive flaming from the pseudoskeptics. The more we post about it the more it will become acceptable. It’s an appropriate topic on DU because the political ramifications are obvious and overwhelming.

"Skeptics" is the wrong word. "People who live in reality" is the correct terminology.

I mean, sure some of these stories can be interesting, as in "trying to figure out a mundane explanation", but it is not, and will never be "aliens".

If you put up a bet of 1 dollar that during my remaining lifetime there would be discovered any solid proof of alien visitation, I would bet you whatever my entire remaining estate would be at the time of my demise that there would not have been such.

There, is that reflexive enough?

You don't know that for a fact.

That's the CLOSEST other star from our own.

Now, how common is advanced life thought to develop on other planets?



IOW, it's extremely optimistic to think even 1 out of 'thousands' of planets EVER develop advanced/technological life, and it's more likely to be 1 in millions, or 1 in billions. And then there's the fact that this advanced life needs to exist at JUST the right time, such that they happen to be able to reach earth (from 1000's to billions of light years distance) while humans are around to detect their arrival.

These numbers mean that I don't think I need to consider the possibility that it even COULD happen that we're visited by alien spacecraft EVER, let alone craft that are buzzing around in earth's skies right now.

I frankly think it's about as likely as the chance that if I drop this brick it will just float in the air, rather that falling onto my carpet, because all the known universal laws of physics/time/space were suddenly suspended.

If you are among the most intelligent humans on the planet, then your IQ would be 220+. What if theirs averages 800? If that's the case, then they may be able to do things that we wouldn't ever be able to comprehend.

I am I no way saying that they have visited us. We just don't know for sure.

Like "is it actually possible to KNOW anything with 100% certainty"? And "what if our perceptions of what constitutes reality and the laws of the physics of the universe are just fundamentally wrong" types of ponderances. I'll stipulate that my calculations are based on humanity being largely "right" when it comes to such things. I think we'd have to be largely "wrong" when it comes to our understand of the nature of physics, time, space, and reality (generally) for it to become at all likely we've been visited by aliens, esp. in the small sliver of time that any of us were here to see it, while also being unable to positively detect that it's happening with regularity. And not just wrong, but wrong in certain, specific ways

However, getting through them alive would be wild. As for your calculations, you are certainly entitled to them. However, calculations once said that putting a human on the moon was impossible. Calculations change.

We a a fairly new civilization. Perhaps theirs is million of years old. Or perhaps they are so smart that we can't comprehend their tech. It may be like trying to teach a turtle advanced math.

Even if we assume their tech is SO advanced that they can just 'beam things' across the universe at the speed of light, the point in time at which said theoretical 1M year old society achieved such interstellar travel has to happen simultaneously with our being here to see them flying around our skies. In a nearly 14,000,000,000 year time span that the universe has existed, their societies 'interstellar travel timeframe' has to intersect with ours. In fact, for the object in the video, it has to intersect with that ONE DAY!

I think when you include this rather critical time-based fact (NOT a calculation), it takes the already infinitesimal likelihood of such a society (possessing physics-defying technology that humans can't even imagine) existing at all (near enough to reach earth in a creatures lifespan, even at the speed of light), and diminishes the likelihood to be SO mathematically improbable that I conclude that it is, for all practical purposes, impossible.

To be fair though, I probably initially overstated the impossibility that SOME automated alien craft might have, or will, appear in our solar system at SOME point in the solar systems history, after travelling for millions even billions of years. It's just that it happening while we're around to see it is where I go 'no frigging way'.

Anyways, good talk, thank you

The Earth is what, 4.5 billion years old or so? So let's say that theirs is 5.5 billion years old (possible, considering how old the universe is). They discovered this tech over time. They don't have to worry about the speed of light aging rule (aging in real time, everyone else gets rapidly older), because maybe no time delusions exist in wormholes? Or (gasp) black holes. Just trying to come up with logical explanations.

Good talking to you too! I love this type of stuff.

What's the point of talking about how long it would take to get somewhere on "the fastest spacecraft ever created by humans" or "a spacecraft as fast as Apollo 10?" We're not talking about humans, their biological needs, or what they have been able to accomplish (so far), we're talking about the unknown. I mean, if one were going to judge what is possible based on that kind of criteria, about 100 years ago, that argument would have been "the fastest flying machine ever created by humans hits 140 mph. At that rate..." etc. What's the point? Saying something is impossible based on any technology we are aware of does not equate to something being impossible. We do many things today that would have been considered by many to be impossible 100 years ago. And in the scheme of things, 100 years isn't even the blink of an eye.

That said, there has been lots of interesting speculation about the Fermi paradox...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

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It's that it's likely there's ever been advanced life on 1 in millions or billions of planets. Which means its likely the nearest planet with life is 1000's or perhaps Millions of light years away.

It's that it's likely these other advanced civilizations are going to deplete their resources and go long extinct (or revert to much less energy intensive ways of life) long before developing a technology capable of interstellar travel (like I am POSITIVE humanity is going to do) because the way that the evolution needed to create such life works, it will probably create creatures as selfish and short-sighted as we are.

It's that the physics of travelling anywhere at speeds fast enough to travel from one advanced civilization planet to another involve very, very large amounts of fuel (even if that fuel were nuclear) that would in turn cause the vessels to be so immense that it would slow them down drastically. Like the fuel would have to occupy space 1000's of times larger than the 'living area' for the beings transported.

It's that hitting a spec of space dust the size of a grain of sand would vaporize (this large) vehicle traveling at the needed speeds (i.e. significant fractions of the speed of light).

And then there's the fact that such a civilization must occur at just the correct tiny sliver of time for their society and ours to intersect in the spacetime continuum. This fact ALONE makes the occurrence highly unlikely.

And then there's the fact that we've NEVER discovered any actual evidence that it's happened, despite our fairly advanced systems of detection, and ability to chemically analyze matter.

You combine the odds involved in all the above facts (which involves multiplying many extremely tiny fractions of probabilities) and I believe the likelihood that we are regularly visited by aliens (without being able to show that it's happening) is, for all practical purposes, infinitely remote. So remote that it makes no sense to me to credulously speculate that seemingly unexplainable sky phenomena are actually alien visitations.

Lastly and conversely, I am nearly equally sure that, at some point, there HAVE been advanced civilizations capable of travel within their solar systems, as we are, in the universe. So I consider 'alien life, ever' and 'alien visitation of earth' to have astronomically different probabilities of occurrence.

I think this one will be fine here though. A Hellfire missile bounced off an object and didn't explode. That object broke into a few pieces, and those pieces continued to follow. That's wild!

I just hope they are peaceful.

Though I guess people may disagree as to whether it qualifies as "important news of national interest"?

During the hearing Rep. Eric Burlison (R-Mo.) played a video that he said "I've been given" ...

By who? Well, "Burlison .... did not provide details of how he had obtained the video."

Not sure how it was obtained. It should not have been hidden/delayed in the first place though.

For sure, for sure? Why didn't Burlison just say that? Or has there been an update?

Burleson, R /MO. Having some experience with R's from MO, I don't consider that a reliable source.

Who else possesses the ability to lock onto a UAP and fire a Hellcat missile?

And it happened under Biden.

Did the military confirm the authenticity of the video? Not according to the article. The military had no comment.

The providence is unknown.... because the congressman, who has an obligation to disclose and substantiate it, didn't. That, I believe is a badge of deceit. Until he lives up to at least the standards of a third rate journalist, I remain a sudoSkeptic.

And the worse than third rate "UAP journalist" he had in tow doesn't help.

I am in no way saying it was aliens, but the video was real. AI would make it a lot more believable that. It wasn't released for a distraction, since it barely got any coverage. Even here.

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the Epstein talk to go away.

This type of missile is slow, armor piercing, and meant for destroying stationary and slow moving targets on the ground. It requires laser guidance, in other words a human painting the target with a laser. It is iffy against targets moving at even highway speed. It is not impossible to hit a flying object, but unlikely unless relatively large and non-moving or slow moving. They do not explode with proximity, but are triggered by a square hit on a mass.

The video does not show what the liars claim. When you watch it you see a couple things. First, the object is hit, and damage is done - just not explosive damage. Second, the object IS tumbling, going down after the strike. The video does not continue long enough to show the fate of the object.

Long story short, the object is lightweight and slow, likely a balloon or a light drone. The tumble looks most like a damaged balloon. The missile hit enough to damage, but did not hit with sufficient force to trigger explosion. So it kept moving, and the object was damaged, tumbled, and went down off-screen.

Regardless, let's say it wasn't for the sake of the argument. The really weird thing is that the debris continues to follow the UAP. It doesn't fly everywhere like it should. Almost as if it has some kind of field. Watch it again.

Unless it's like a soap bubble. Ever break a big one in the tub or sink and it breaks into smaller bubbles? That's what it reminded me of.

Yes, it got hit. No, the impact wasn’t hard enough to detonate. Yes, bits and pieces continued on a similar trajectory with the tumble. That would make complete sense in a collision with a lightweight object like a balloon.

However, the bits and pieces would not follow on the same path for more that a couple of seconds. Look at the time stamp. At 20 seconds into the video, it gets hit. The video ends at 27 seconds. That's 7 seconds along the exact same path. In those 7 seconds, debris follow the UAP to the left at first, then follow it downward as soon as it turns.

Coincidence is possible, but incredibly unlikely. What I wanna see is another 7 seconds. That will tell for sure if they are indeed following.

Note: even if what I say is true, it doesn't make it aliens for certain.