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erronis

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22. Surround and starve the remaining country. Holomomor revisited
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 06:19 PM
Aug 16
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

The Holodomor,[a] also known as the Ukrainian famine, was a mass famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians. The Holodomor was part of the wider Soviet famine of 1930–1933 which affected the major grain-producing areas of the Soviet Union.

While most scholars are in consensus that the main cause of the famine was largely man-made, it remains in dispute whether the Holodomor was intentional, whether it was directed at Ukrainians, and whether it constitutes a genocide, the point of contention being the absence of attested documents explicitly ordering the starvation of any area in the Soviet Union. Some historians conclude that the famine was deliberately engineered by Joseph Stalin to eliminate a Ukrainian independence movement. Others suggest that the famine was primarily the consequence of rapid Soviet industrialisation and collectivization of agriculture. A middle position is that the initial causes of the famine were an unintentional byproduct of the process of collectivization but once it set in, starvation was selectively weaponized, and the famine was "instrumentalized" and amplified against Ukrainians as a means to punish them for resisting Soviet policies and to suppress their nationalist sentiments.

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Just for comparisons sake dweller Aug 16 #1
Good visual. Same on the west coast - most of Washington, Oregon, and California. erronis Aug 16 #2
It's not Trump's country to give away dlk Aug 16 #11
After blowing through his inherited fortune, Aristus Aug 16 #19
Spot on. I was thinking something similar earlier today. Beartracks Aug 16 #20
Trump has the gift of bs dlk Aug 16 #21
When trump can move armed thugs into any place he wants - that's taking control. erronis Aug 16 #24
Just what many of us suspected from Hey Joe Aug 16 #13
Fuck that shit-covered shroom. chowder66 Aug 16 #3
Is this his latest attempt to curry favor with Nobel? Brainfodder Aug 16 #4
I'm sure and sure it's not going to fly.. Cha Aug 16 #17
That right there violates the agreed principle that the Toddler made with European leaders before meeting with Putin Pachamama Aug 16 #5
It shows the current US President only has loyalty to other dicktaters. mdbl Aug 16 #6
I would support giving Mar a lago to russia, IF bluestarone Aug 16 #7
Did anyone honestly think otherwise? Karasu Aug 16 #8
Yeah, you go with that, Krasnov MLWR Aug 16 #9
Putin has no claim to that land, Bayard Aug 16 #10
Trump doesn't believe in the rule of law, or right and wrong, or good and evil. thought crime Aug 16 #25
Sounds like Neville Chamberlain Oeditpus Rex Aug 16 #12
I'm really sorry that it's likely I won't be around to see how historians kick Trump in the ass. ificandream Aug 16 #14
Fuck that fucking fuck. RandomNumbers Aug 16 #15
That's 1/3rd of whats left of Ukraines sea access. The Donbass and Crimea were 2/3rds of the original coastline Cheezoholic Aug 16 #16
Surround and starve the remaining country. Holomomor revisited erronis Aug 16 #22
Yes, Russia has been mass murdering Ukrainians for blue-wave Aug 17 #31
Can we just give him Florida and call it good? James48 Aug 16 #18
Good grief. Epstein is haunting him. Boo! twodogsbarking Aug 16 #23
I'm expecting Europe to tell Trump this is dead in the water OnDoutside Aug 16 #26
I'd frame it more like "Trump Willing To Capitulate To Russian Demands!" cstanleytech Aug 16 #27
I thought Ukraine signed over mineral rights to Trump Irish_Dem Aug 16 #28
Trump will get a minerals deal in the invaded territory. Doodley Aug 16 #29
That J_William_Ryan Aug 16 #30
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