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In reply to the discussion: Greg Abbott Threatens to Expel Texas Democrats as They Thwart Redistricting [View all]LetMyPeopleVote
(169,760 posts)10. Abbott threatens to try to expel Democrats who fled Texas, escalating tensions
I read the Ken Paxton opinion cited by Abbott. It does not support Abbot's threat
Link to tweet
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/08/04/texas-democrats-redistricting-maps-abbott-trump
CHICAGO Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) is threatening to try to remove Democratic lawmakers from office for fleeing the state and claiming they could be charged with crimes, escalating tensions overnight in a showdown over redrawing congressional lines ahead of the midterm elections......
Abbott, who also launched a $750,000 digital ad campaign Sunday against Democrats, cited a 2021 opinion from state Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) in his letter to contend that courts could determine Democrats had abandoned their duties and given up their jobs. That would allow Abbott to call special elections to replace them, he said.
Democrats hatched a deliberate plan not to show up for work, for the specific purpose of abdicating the duties of their office and thwarting the chambers business, Abbott wrote in his letter....
By leaving, Texas Democrats have thwarted the plan for now. At least two-thirds of the members of the Texas House 100 of 150 must be present for lawmakers to take action. That means 51 of the 62 Democrats can block the Republicans from advancing their plans, and 57 have left the state, Democrats said. Most are in Chicago, but some are in Boston and Albany, New York, they said.
Abbott, who also launched a $750,000 digital ad campaign Sunday against Democrats, cited a 2021 opinion from state Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) in his letter to contend that courts could determine Democrats had abandoned their duties and given up their jobs. That would allow Abbott to call special elections to replace them, he said.
Democrats hatched a deliberate plan not to show up for work, for the specific purpose of abdicating the duties of their office and thwarting the chambers business, Abbott wrote in his letter....
By leaving, Texas Democrats have thwarted the plan for now. At least two-thirds of the members of the Texas House 100 of 150 must be present for lawmakers to take action. That means 51 of the 62 Democrats can block the Republicans from advancing their plans, and 57 have left the state, Democrats said. Most are in Chicago, but some are in Boston and Albany, New York, they said.
Here is a link to the opinion from Ken Paxton cited by Abbott
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/opinion-files/opinion/2021/kp-0382.pdf
This "opinion" cited an 1873 case that a member of the legislature can "abandon" their office
Abandonment is a species of resignation. Resignation and
abandonment are voluntary acts. The former is a formal
relinquishment; the latter a relinquishment through nonuser.
Abandonment implies nonuser, but nonuser does not, of itself,
constitute abandonment. The failure to perform the duties
pertaining to the office must be with actual or imputed intention on
the part of the officer to abandon and relinquish the office. The
intention may be inferred from the acts and conduct of the party, and
is a question of fact.
abandonment are voluntary acts. The former is a formal
relinquishment; the latter a relinquishment through nonuser.
Abandonment implies nonuser, but nonuser does not, of itself,
constitute abandonment. The failure to perform the duties
pertaining to the office must be with actual or imputed intention on
the part of the officer to abandon and relinquish the office. The
intention may be inferred from the acts and conduct of the party, and
is a question of fact.
This case does not support Greg's claim. There would have to be litigation and a formal removal by a court finding abandonment.
Paxton's opinion does not support Abbott's threat
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Greg Abbott Threatens to Expel Texas Democrats as They Thwart Redistricting [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Aug 4
OP
As a precinct chair in Texas, we do have something called "abandonment of office".
LeftInTX
Aug 4
#29
Nothing fascist about this. Either you allow us to rig the system or we arrest you. Such a choice.
Karasu
Aug 4
#3
Abbott threatens to try to expel Democrats who fled Texas, escalating tensions
LetMyPeopleVote
Aug 4
#10
Except they aren't abandoning it they are simply taking vacations and they are going to be returning.
cstanleytech
Aug 4
#16
Dems respond simply to Abbott's threat to remove them from office if they don't return by tomorrow afternoon:
LetMyPeopleVote
Aug 4
#13
A scheme that's also at the direction of the sitting President with the goal of assisting him which might be a no-no.
cstanleytech
Aug 4
#18
Gov. Greg Abbott's options to force a redistricting vote are more limited than they appear
LetMyPeopleVote
Aug 4
#26
By what legal process can a governor "expel" members of the opposition party on the Legislature?
Martin68
Aug 4
#28
(From the OP) "Abbott said in his statement: 'these legislators may also have committed felonies.'"
red dog 1
Aug 4
#31
"The felony" would be misuse of campaign funds. But they've been careful about it.
LeftInTX
Aug 4
#32