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BumRushDaShow

(160,061 posts)
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 05:49 AM Aug 4

Greg Abbott Threatens to Expel Texas Democrats as They Thwart Redistricting

Source: Newsweek

Published Aug 04, 2025 at 3:37 AM EDT Updated Aug 04, 2025 at 3:38 AM EDT


Texas Governor Greg Abbott has threatened to remove "derelict Democrats" from the state's House of Representatives if they fail to return by Monday afternoon. The threat came after numerous Texas Democrats left their home state and traveled to Illinois in an effort to prevent the state legislature from holding a vote that would approve Republican-backed redistricting maps.

In a letter to the Democrats, Abbott wrote: "Real Texans do not run from a fight. But that's exactly what most of the Texas House Democrats just did... rather than doing their job and voting on urgent legislation affecting the lives of all Texans, they have fled Texas to deprive the House of the quorum necessary to meet and conduct business."

Why It Matters

Abbott's threat intensifies the face-off over Republican efforts to redraw the districting map in Texas to bolster the party's chances of retaining the U.S. House of Representatives in the 2026 midterm elections. Republicans in other states facing significant battleground contests have looked to follow a similar path.

Republicans have slim majorities in both the U.S. House and Senate, giving Democrats hopes of retaking at least one of the Houses of Congress in next year's elections.

Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/greg-abbott-threatens-remove-fleeing-texas-democrats-redistricting-map-2108313





Expel them all and you render your entire state House unable to operate at all until a quorum is achieved... whenever.
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Greg Abbott Threatens to Expel Texas Democrats as They Thwart Redistricting (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Aug 4 OP
Does Greg Abbott also intend to change the number for a quorum? no_hypocrisy Aug 4 #1
Yes, GQP main goal is to have one party system.................. Lovie777 Aug 4 #2
As a precinct chair in Texas, we do have something called "abandonment of office". LeftInTX Aug 4 #29
Nothing fascist about this. Either you allow us to rig the system or we arrest you. Such a choice. Karasu Aug 4 #3
Criminals LOVE getting away with sh*t! SupportSanity Aug 4 #11
I guess Republicans aren't real Texas liberalgunwilltravel Aug 4 #4
How does the executive branch police the legislative branch in TX?9 niyad Aug 4 #5
Fuck you where you breathe, Hot Wheels. (nt) Paladin Aug 4 #6
Time for the Blue States to do they same Chasstev365 Aug 4 #7
I expect every state to be heavily gerrymandered by 2026 cadoman Aug 4 #23
LOL...Abbott in panic mode because he's not able to please his Fuhrer Bengus81 Aug 4 #8
Hot Wheels, please proceed. Brainfodder Aug 4 #9
Abbott threatens to try to expel Democrats who fled Texas, escalating tensions LetMyPeopleVote Aug 4 #10
Alex, I'll take "What is Propaganda?" for $500. SupportSanity Aug 4 #14
Even if they had "special elections" BumRushDaShow Aug 4 #15
Except they aren't abandoning it they are simply taking vacations and they are going to be returning. cstanleytech Aug 4 #16
I have little confidence in the Texas state courts. TomSlick Aug 4 #36
Uhhh ... what Constitution allows him to do that? FakeNoose Aug 4 #12
The state constitution does DavidDvorkin Aug 4 #17
Politico article explains how: LeftInTX Aug 4 #33
Dems respond simply to Abbott's threat to remove them from office if they don't return by tomorrow afternoon: LetMyPeopleVote Aug 4 #13
A scheme that's also at the direction of the sitting President with the goal of assisting him which might be a no-no. cstanleytech Aug 4 #18
Background: LudwigPastorius Aug 4 #19
Looks like the Dems removed themselves. Sneederbunk Aug 4 #20
This was the so-called (nonsensical) Paxton "opinion" BumRushDaShow Aug 4 #21
I'd rather just expel Greg Abbott. Nothing of value would be lost there! Initech Aug 4 #22
Not sure he can legally do that Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 4 #24
"Expel"? What, are they just a bunch of recalcitrant middle schoolers or what? Texin Aug 4 #25
Gov. Greg Abbott's options to force a redistricting vote are more limited than they appear LetMyPeopleVote Aug 4 #26
Pretty sure that can't happen on Abbott's whims. 634-5789 Aug 4 #27
By what legal process can a governor "expel" members of the opposition party on the Legislature? Martin68 Aug 4 #28
They're nuckin futs for sure. twodogsbarking Aug 4 #30
(From the OP) "Abbott said in his statement: 'these legislators may also have committed felonies.'" red dog 1 Aug 4 #31
"The felony" would be misuse of campaign funds. But they've been careful about it. LeftInTX Aug 4 #32
"Remove Democrats". That's exactly what gerrymandering will do anyway. JohnnyRingo Aug 4 #34
Greg Abbott YoshidaYui Aug 4 #35
Opposition... Godot51 Aug 4 #37
"Real Texans do not run from a fight." OldBaldy1701E Aug 5 #38
Paxton to seek judicial orders declaring Democrat quorum-busters seats vacant if they are not back by Friday LetMyPeopleVote Aug 5 #39
Legal experts say it would be difficult to argue that engaging in a quorum break qualifies as abandonment of office. Ge LetMyPeopleVote Aug 5 #40

no_hypocrisy

(53,048 posts)
1. Does Greg Abbott also intend to change the number for a quorum?
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 05:58 AM
Aug 4

That the business of governing the state of Texas can have some districts not represented? Or maybe he wants to choose Republicans to take the seats of missing Democrats?

Lovie777

(20,202 posts)
2. Yes, GQP main goal is to have one party system..................
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 06:20 AM
Aug 4

dictatorship galore, GQP gawd wants it bigly.

LeftInTX

(33,875 posts)
29. As a precinct chair in Texas, we do have something called "abandonment of office".
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 03:54 PM
Aug 4

However, if only occurs after 4 consecutive absences AND after the precinct chair refuses to respond to certified letter. If they respond to the certified letter, we can't remove them even if they continue to be absent. However, this is a precinct chair and I'm sure laws are different for other offices. Even if they are removed AND we have filled the seat, then can come back and claim it, if the term hasn't expired.

Karasu

(2,003 posts)
3. Nothing fascist about this. Either you allow us to rig the system or we arrest you. Such a choice.
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 06:41 AM
Aug 4

This is not a legitimate political party.

SupportSanity

(1,529 posts)
11. Criminals LOVE getting away with sh*t!
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 09:40 AM
Aug 4

They hate having any opposition to what they think they should be away with!

4. I guess Republicans aren't real Texas
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 06:46 AM
Aug 4

If they were, they wouldn’t be running from their voters by gerrymandering safe seats. They know that otherwise they would lose because their policies are unpopular. Fucking fascist cowards!

 

cadoman

(1,617 posts)
23. I expect every state to be heavily gerrymandered by 2026
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 12:21 PM
Aug 4

The gloves are off now. It was silly of us to de-escalate. It makes more sense to go all-out until Federal legislation is made that addresses it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois's_congressional_districts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland's_congressional_districts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California's_congressional_districts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York's_congressional_districts

New York and California seem to have the most meat on the bone, and if we can squeeze Maryland down to zero repukes we should do it.

Bengus81

(9,351 posts)
8. LOL...Abbott in panic mode because he's not able to please his Fuhrer
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 07:48 AM
Aug 4

Shoes on the other foot eh Abbott?

LetMyPeopleVote

(169,744 posts)
10. Abbott threatens to try to expel Democrats who fled Texas, escalating tensions
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 09:25 AM
Aug 4

I read the Ken Paxton opinion cited by Abbott. It does not support Abbot's threat



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/08/04/texas-democrats-redistricting-maps-abbott-trump

CHICAGO — Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) is threatening to try to remove Democratic lawmakers from office for fleeing the state and claiming they could be charged with crimes, escalating tensions overnight in a showdown over redrawing congressional lines ahead of the midterm elections......

Abbott, who also launched a $750,000 digital ad campaign Sunday against Democrats, cited a 2021 opinion from state Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) in his letter to contend that courts could determine Democrats had abandoned their duties and given up their jobs. That would allow Abbott to call special elections to replace them, he said.

“Democrats hatched a deliberate plan not to show up for work, for the specific purpose of abdicating the duties of their office and thwarting the chamber’s business,” Abbott wrote in his letter....

By leaving, Texas Democrats have thwarted the plan for now. At least two-thirds of the members of the Texas House — 100 of 150 — must be present for lawmakers to take action. That means 51 of the 62 Democrats can block the Republicans from advancing their plans, and 57 have left the state, Democrats said. Most are in Chicago, but some are in Boston and Albany, New York, they said.


Here is a link to the opinion from Ken Paxton cited by Abbott
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/opinion-files/opinion/2021/kp-0382.pdf
This "opinion" cited an 1873 case that a member of the legislature can "abandon" their office
Abandonment is a species of resignation. Resignation and
abandonment are voluntary acts. The former is a formal
relinquishment; the latter a relinquishment through nonuser.
Abandonment implies nonuser, but nonuser does not, of itself,
constitute abandonment. The failure to perform the duties
pertaining to the office must be with actual or imputed intention on
the part of the officer to abandon and relinquish the office. The
intention may be inferred from the acts and conduct of the party, and
is a question of fact.

This case does not support Greg's claim. There would have to be litigation and a formal removal by a court finding abandonment.

Paxton's opinion does not support Abbott's threat

BumRushDaShow

(160,061 posts)
15. Even if they had "special elections"
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 10:01 AM
Aug 4

the state House would STILL be dead in the water with no quorum. And like what happened in TN, where the GOP "expelled" the "Two Justins" (Pearson and Jones), and held special elections for the seats, their constituents merely voted them back into office.

cstanleytech

(27,940 posts)
16. Except they aren't abandoning it they are simply taking vacations and they are going to be returning.
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 10:31 AM
Aug 4

TomSlick

(12,708 posts)
36. I have little confidence in the Texas state courts.
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 08:14 PM
Aug 4

Judicial positions are elected office in Texas and very partisan.

DavidDvorkin

(20,343 posts)
17. The state constitution does
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 10:33 AM
Aug 4

Sort of:

Article 3, Section 9 of the Texas Constitution empowers each chamber to expel a member with a two-thirds vote.


That doesn't say that the governor can do it. And without the Democrats there, there would be no two-thirds vote.

Unless that's taken to mean two-thirds of those present and voting!

LeftInTX

(33,875 posts)
33. Politico article explains how:
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 04:49 PM
Aug 4
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/04/greg-abbott-texas-democrats-redistricting-00492100

He would need to get a district court judge to determine that they've "abandoned" office. Abandoning is generally used when you can't locate the office holder etc. Every once in awhile someone is elected who is basically a "no show", or they have moved out of the state and didn't resign, or they've turned into a drunk etc etc. I think the law exists to assure that elected officials are willing and able to perform their basic duties. Even if the elected official is a "no show", drunk etc, they can contest. The only thing that can't be contested moving out of state.

LetMyPeopleVote

(169,744 posts)
13. Dems respond simply to Abbott's threat to remove them from office if they don't return by tomorrow afternoon:
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 09:45 AM
Aug 4

cstanleytech

(27,940 posts)
18. A scheme that's also at the direction of the sitting President with the goal of assisting him which might be a no-no.
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 10:33 AM
Aug 4

BumRushDaShow

(160,061 posts)
21. This was the so-called (nonsensical) Paxton "opinion"
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 11:17 AM
Aug 4



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Initech

(106,283 posts)
22. I'd rather just expel Greg Abbott. Nothing of value would be lost there!
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 11:47 AM
Aug 4

Fuck you Greg Abbott, you illegally installed Fox News psychopath!

Texin

(2,801 posts)
25. "Expel"? What, are they just a bunch of recalcitrant middle schoolers or what?
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 01:04 PM
Aug 4

Uhm, I'm pretty sure such an act by Ironsides would be illegal.

LetMyPeopleVote

(169,744 posts)
26. Gov. Greg Abbott's options to force a redistricting vote are more limited than they appear
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 01:26 PM
Aug 4

The Texas governor's court threat could take months to resolve — despite a fast-approaching redistricting deadline.




https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/04/greg-abbott-texas-democrats-redistricting-00492100

Abbott and other Texas Republicans face a hard deadline as they are preparing to adopt maps that could net the GOP five seats in the U.S. House, potentially cementing the party’s majority in Congress. Maps need to be completed before the end of the year so that election officials can prepare for the state’s March 3 primaries. The move has also prompted retaliation threats by Democratic governors in other states and roiled expectations for the 2026 elections, when Democrats hope to take the House and act as a check on President Donald Trump......

What are Abbott’s legal options?
Federal laws allow states to demand the return, or “extradition,” of criminal fugitives from other states. But because breaking quorum is not illegal, Abbott can’t seek help from the courts to compel the Democrats’ return.

Instead, Abbott threatened to take another action against the absentee lawmakers: Ask Texas courts to remove them from office altogether. State law permits a Texas district court to determine whether a public official has “abandoned” his or her office, declaring it vacant — enabling the governor to set new elections to fill the empty seats......

The governor’s threat is rooted in a nonbinding legal opinion issued in 2021 by Attorney General Ken Paxton, amid the last attempt by Democrats to break quorum. Paxton, notably, took no position on whether breaking quorum is constitutional.

The republican AG also declined to say whether fleeing Democrats could or should be removed from office. Rather, he called it a “fact question for a court” that he said was beyond the scope of his office to decide. He noted instead that he could file what are known as “quo warranto actions” in court, asking a judge to determine whether the missing lawmakers had officially vacated their seats.

How would a judge make that call? Paxton said he wasn’t certain.

We find no constitutional provision or statute establishing an exhaustive list for why a vacancy occurs or the grounds under which an officer may be judicially removed from office,” he wrote......

That timing matters when the GOP-led redistricting plan is on a fixed timeline: A new map must be adopted by early December in order to be in place for the 2026 midterm cycle. That would require Democrats to remain out of state for about four months while they accumulate $500-per-day civil fines. The current special Legislative session is slated to end on Aug. 19, but Abbott could call another one.



Martin68

(26,458 posts)
28. By what legal process can a governor "expel" members of the opposition party on the Legislature?
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 03:24 PM
Aug 4

red dog 1

(31,837 posts)
31. (From the OP) "Abbott said in his statement: 'these legislators may also have committed felonies.'"
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 04:34 PM
Aug 4

When I say don’t mess with Texas women, I’m talking about State Rep. Jolanda Jones.

Charlotte Clymer (@charlotteclymer.bsky.social) 2025-08-04T20:10:29.504Z

LeftInTX

(33,875 posts)
32. "The felony" would be misuse of campaign funds. But they've been careful about it.
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 04:43 PM
Aug 4

Outside groups have been fundraising for about a month now. PACs and SuperPACS can do whatever!

JohnnyRingo

(20,159 posts)
34. "Remove Democrats". That's exactly what gerrymandering will do anyway.
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 05:33 PM
Aug 4

Typical schoolyard bully.
If you don't let me punch you in the face, I'll punch you in the face.

Godot51

(629 posts)
37. Opposition...
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 08:27 PM
Aug 4

Isn't being "opposed" to the majority the definition of the minority, opposition party?

OldBaldy1701E

(9,040 posts)
38. "Real Texans do not run from a fight."
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 09:22 AM
Aug 5

Sure they don't. Just ask your AG, right?

Texans may not run from a fight, but only an idiot would stand in front of a train and call it 'fighting'.



So, I decided to play around with the Google A.I. and ask it about Abbott's failures to his constituents.

This was what it said...

how many times has greg abbott run from his responsibilities (my question)

Public officials, like Texas Governor Greg Abbott, are often subject to criticism regarding their leadership during crises or in response to policy issues. Determining whether Governor Abbott has "run from his responsibilities" is a matter of interpretation and depends on individual perspectives.

For example, Governor Abbott has been criticized for:
Reliance on executive orders: Some legal experts argue his use of executive orders goes beyond his authority and has been challenged by lawsuits.

Response to the COVID-19 pandemic: Abbott was criticized for contradicting his stance on individual responsibility by issuing executive orders related to the pandemic.
Response to disasters: He faced scrutiny during flooding in July 2025, with critics raising questions about the lack of emergency warning systems.

It's important to consider different viewpoints when evaluating a public official's performance. You can find detailed information on these and other issues through the provided search results to form your own conclusions.


(I am sorry... 'different viewpoints'??)

So, I asked this:

How are people starving and dying under Abbots administration a 'different viewpoint' of his malicious actions?

Arguments and accusations surrounding a governor's policies and their impact on vulnerable populations, including claims of starvation and death, are serious and often part of a larger political discourse. It's important to understand the complexities involved when discussing these issues.

Here's why attributing these outcomes solely to "malicious actions" of an administration and dismissing any other perspective as simply a "different viewpoint" can be problematic:

Complexity of causation: Issues like starvation, poverty, homelessness, and related deaths are rarely caused by a single factor. They are often the result of complex interactions between economic conditions, social safety nets, individual choices, access to resources, and broader societal challenges.

Role of state vs. other factors: While state policies can have a significant impact, they don't operate in isolation. Federal policies, local governance, global economic trends, and even individual and community actions also play a role.

Intent vs. outcome: Critics may accuse a governor of malicious intent, but policy decisions often have unintended consequences, and differing opinions exist on the most effective solutions to complex social problems. For example, the decision to veto federal food aid funding was justified by some on the grounds of potential long-term fiscal ramifications, while others saw it as directly contributing to hunger.

Disagreement on solutions: Even among those who agree that issues like hunger and homelessness are serious problems, there may be fundamental disagreements about the best approaches to address them. Some may advocate for expanded social programs and safety nets, while others may emphasize individual responsibility or market-based solutions.

Difficulty in quantifying direct impact: While statistical correlations between poverty, lack of access to healthcare, and mortality rates can be drawn, establishing a direct causal link between specific policies and individual cases of death or starvation is often very difficult to prove definitively, according to the National Institutes of Health (NIH).

Therefore, while it's crucial to acknowledge and address the suffering of individuals, framing the issue as solely a matter of a governor's malicious actions oversimplifies a multifaceted problem. It's more productive to engage in a discussion that considers the various contributing factors, policy alternatives, and the broader social and economic context.


Since I have never heard of anyone who chose to be homeless and destitute, I decided to just stop right there.

I also had to laugh out loud over this bit, as this succinctly shows how these animals are getting away with their evil:

Difficulty in quantifying direct impact: While statistical correlations between poverty, lack of access to healthcare, and mortality rates can be drawn, establishing a direct causal link between specific policies and individual cases of death or starvation is often very difficult to prove definitively, according to the National Institutes of Health (NIH).

This is why we are where we are. (By the way, what this indicates is 'bureaucracy', which is the ultimate excuse for evil in our society.) We are creating situations whereby people are wasting away, yet we cannot 'prove it'.

What a horror show. And, Abbott is all about it. He revels in it. The suffering of others is what gets his little pecker off.

LetMyPeopleVote

(169,744 posts)
39. Paxton to seek judicial orders declaring Democrat quorum-busters seats vacant if they are not back by Friday
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 03:01 PM
Aug 5

Here is an announcement by Paxton. Legally, Paxton should file 57 different lawsuits against each member of the legislature who is absent. It seems that Paxton may be filing only one lawsuit





This will be fun to watch

LetMyPeopleVote

(169,744 posts)
40. Legal experts say it would be difficult to argue that engaging in a quorum break qualifies as abandonment of office. Ge
Tue Aug 5, 2025, 04:46 PM
Aug 5

I have known Chad Dunn for a while. He is a great election law attorney who got the Texas voter id law largely gutted a long time ago.



https://www.texastribune.org/2025/08/05/texas-democrats-ken-paxton-court-vacate-seats-quorum-break

Texas’ Constitution explicitly enables the possibility of a so-called “quorum break,” the Supreme Court of Texas ruled in 2021, although it also allows for consequences to bring members back.

Legal experts say it would be difficult to argue that engaging in a quorum break qualifies as abandonment of office.

“I am aware of absolutely no authority that says breaking quorum is the same as the intent to abandon a seat,” said Charles “Rocky” Rhodes, a constitutional law expert at the University of Missouri law school. “That would require the courts extending the premise to the breaking point. It’s inconsistent with the very text of the Texas Constitution.”

Chad Dunn, a former attorney for the Texas Democratic Party, said proving abandonment of office would require showing that the member had failed to perform the duty of their office and intended to relinquish the seat, both of which he argues are not evident in a quorum break.

“It is not just an option, but one of the features of elected office to decide whether to appear and help establish quorum,” Dunn said. “Each member as part of their duty of office must make that decision.”

Paxton himself has acknowledged that this would likely be a lengthy and complicated process, telling conservative podcaster Benny Johnson that they’d have to bring individual lawsuits in each district.
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