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Takket

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26. This right here........

Sun Feb 1, 2026, 06:30 PM

Feb 2026

This article is a very good example of why "more training" and "more vetting" isn't the answer. Jesus Ochoa and Raymundo Gutierrez joined Border Patrol in 2018 and 2014 respectively. These aren't new agents. www.propublica.org/article/alex...
— hannah gais (@hannahgais.bsky.social) 2026-02-01T22:02:07.150Z

it ain't the lack of training (though that is a problem as well). These organizations are rotten to the core and no one in them is employable.

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Alex Pretti's murderers are identified as Jesus Ochoa and Raymundo Gutierrez [View all] Stargleamer Feb 2026 OP

Hope they die in state prison malaise Feb 2026 #1

state prison ? dweller Feb 2026 #28

State charges, not federal. Swede Feb 2026 #73

Finally. May there be justice for Pretti. ...n/t CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2026 #2

plus 1 BlueWaveNeverEnd Feb 2026 #24

May they reap what they have sowed a thousandfold. fierywoman Feb 2026 #3

What? I was expecting their names to be Lon Butcher and Earl Dingess. Duncan Grant Feb 2026 #4

I was thinking the same thing. PittBlue Feb 2026 #5

I saw a screenshot of the one guy's eyes... Ritabert Feb 2026 #12

It is profitable. Marcuse Feb 2026 #42

I guess DEI doesn't apply to Ice vapor2 Feb 2026 #59

Latino? Aviation Pro Feb 2026 #6

Sounds like it from the surnames for starters. Also the recent one, DUI "covered in vomit" - so UTUSN Feb 2026 #16

White supremacy is a little more complicated than that WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2026 #20

The proud boys guy was cuban, they don't think they're latin. dem4decades Feb 2026 #76

The right wing will be less likely to defend them JI7 Feb 2026 #7

I wonder what their immigration status is. This whole thing is so stupid and people are getting killed. Srkdqltr Feb 2026 #8

You do realize there are Latinos in this country iemanja Feb 2026 #45

Yes i am aware they were here first, particularly in the south and west. There was always people here before. Srkdqltr Feb 2026 #49

Then why would you make that comment about immigration status? iemanja Feb 2026 #56

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Illegal aliens can't join the military. It requires an SSN surfered Feb 2026 #79

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This surfered Feb 2026 #82

Thank you. It is stupid for any of us to equate names with character. erronis Feb 2026 #53

Don't agree with the poor write trash talk iemanja Feb 2026 #57

Agree. I got carried away by trying to find an anti analogy. erronis Feb 2026 #61

All good. iemanja Feb 2026 #65

True susanr516 Feb 2026 #63

Sounds serious Torchlight Feb 2026 #88

Oinc oinc, putas. LudwigPastorius Feb 2026 #9

Fucking Murdering Shit for brains Cha Feb 2026 #10

The irony Jilly_in_VA Feb 2026 #11

I suspect they headed down I-35 and are somewhere in Texas Ritabert Feb 2026 #13

They should be in custody MustLoveBeagles Feb 2026 #15

"The DEI hires made a bad decision" dalton99a Feb 2026 #14

Twenty years of experience between them. Training isn't the issue. Abolish it all. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2026 #17

20 years a experience where? On the southern border? GusBob Feb 2026 #71

20 years of fulfilling the mission of CBP. This is what it looks like, no matter where they serve. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2026 #72

The problem with poorly trained or well trained Nazis isn't the level of training--it's that they are Nazis. tblue37 Feb 2026 #80

Have they been charged with anything yet? Has Jonathan Ross? n/t flvegan Feb 2026 #18

Nope. dalton99a Feb 2026 #19

no and they won't be charged with anything as lnog as Bondi heads the DOJ Takket Feb 2026 #21

After seeing their names I think there is a chance they could be charged JI7 Feb 2026 #23

I have to on the side that says BULLSHIT. I'm betting there are MORE shooters than this. ALSO bluestarone Feb 2026 #22

I can tell by the one shooter's eyes if they publish a picture without the balaclava Ritabert Feb 2026 #31

Well, let us know what you think if you see it. bluestarone Feb 2026 #34

Somebody posted the other guy's picture today... Ritabert Feb 2026 #86

TY for that. I'm not sure who fingered these two, BUT bluestarone Feb 2026 #87

The one guy's ex-wife said he was a gun nut and had 25 guns. Ritabert Feb 2026 #89

Maybe ICE is hiring goons from the Mexican druggers. I mean really, leftyladyfrommo Feb 2026 #25

And you conclude that because they are Hispanic iemanja Feb 2026 #52

This right here........ Takket Feb 2026 #26

Consider the level of cognitive dissonance needed.... Ritabert Feb 2026 #27

Preserving and enforcing white supremacy LuvLoogie Feb 2026 #78

True. Ritabert Feb 2026 #85

Quislings? johnp3907 Feb 2026 #29

They just don't contemplate that they could be picked up too Ritabert Feb 2026 #30

Probably former military, poverty draft. CBP hired in 2014 and 2018? haele Feb 2026 #37

That's not what the link stated MichMan Feb 2026 #44

My fault for not reading the article. haele Feb 2026 #64

Statement from ex-wife, Angelica Ochoa: (from the ProPublica article) IcyPeas Feb 2026 #32

EX-wife. n/t Ms. Toad Feb 2026 #41

Correct... fixed. IcyPeas Feb 2026 #54

"identified in government records"? surrealAmerican Feb 2026 #33

So Stephen MIller, whose immigrant grandparents fled pogroms against Jews in Russia, Scrivener7 Feb 2026 #35

Self hate Cirsium Feb 2026 #38

I just finished watching the documentary on HBO "Let us Prey." It goes some way to explaining that horror. Scrivener7 Feb 2026 #39

Identification with the Aggressor Cirsium Feb 2026 #46

That's a powerful excerpt and can easily be used by "state" forces to subjugate. 1984. 2026. erronis Feb 2026 #66

Look around. The lesson is, B.See Feb 2026 #40

Stephen Miller isn't doing this to gain acceptance. Scrivener7 Feb 2026 #55

I'm not so much concerned B.See Feb 2026 #58

Of course Cirsium Feb 2026 #36

SAY THEIR NAMES..... Escape Feb 2026 #43

The least safest place for them will be in prison JoseBalow Feb 2026 #62

Okey Dokey Escape Feb 2026 #67

I'll wait for the result of Minnesota's investigation, thanks struggle4progress Feb 2026 #47

As sinkingfeeling mentioned on another thread, I wonder if this is for real paleotn Feb 2026 #48

CBP Killing Fields Of Southern Border 2na fisherman Feb 2026 #50

They aren't used to "social justice, hipster, progressive urban" protesters. LeftInTX Feb 2026 #74

Indict, prosecute, convict and imprison these murderers Mysterian Feb 2026 #51

With those names, shouldn't Trump be jumping to conclusions that this can be blamed on DEI? Norrrm Feb 2026 #60

If so, perhaps it's to help them blend in. usonian Feb 2026 #68

Holy Batshit! Give Peace A Chance Feb 2026 #69

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That's what Trump thinks surfered Feb 2026 #84

Kapos! mucifer Feb 2026 #70

White American thugs don't have a corner on being killers and torturers. Ping Tung Feb 2026 #75