General Discussion

Trump got more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016, and got still more in 2024. So how many votes did they shift? Them and all 14 of their friends? They didn't do any better in downticket races, either.

Show remorse and change? Only Stuart Stevens really broke with his past, the rest of them just want to get back to the status quo of 2005. They pretend nothing was wrong before 2015. They still "both sides" all the time.

And just who is going to crucify them and how? And when? Because we are at (past) that point, but anyone who tries gets shushed up and scolded. Meanwhile, NeverTrumpers get loads of free media time and resources that ought to be going to people who've actually been right about the Right for oh, several decades now. Yet at the same time, people on our side lament that "we need our own Joe Rogan" and that liberal media posts are clickbaity to pay the bills because they don't get big donations to establish themselves like the Lincoln Project and The Bulwark did.

And since they have an outsized media reach and influence, by what means will they be crucified? It won't be on MSNOW, where they practically have a colony of paid contributors.

With a truncated handful of exceptions, their goal now is the same as it was in 2016: to position themselves for a post-Trump Republican Party.