Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

General Discussion

InstantGratification

(407 posts)

12. They are working to increase their production capacity.

Reply to paulkienitz (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 25, 2025, 09:37 PM

Nov 25

It pains me greatly to say these words: One thing TSF is right about is that Europe has leaned on the US for too long. At the end of WW2, it made sense. They were devoting all of their GDP to recovering from the war and rebuilding their countries. Now they are struggling to build the military production capacity to replace the US if we renege on our obligations. I won't pretend to be well enough informed to predict how this will go. If Trump WON'T keep the US engaged enough to hold off the Russians, I'm not sure Europe has the production capacity to do it without us.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

1 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Joinfortmill

21 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

I think its becoming clear the only way to end the war in Ukraine [View all] drray23 Nov 25 OP

Yes... Mike Nelson Nov 25 #1

No. WW3 is not going to happen in Ukraine. maxsolomon Nov 25 #2

Agree that some are far too willing, B.See Nov 25 #3

I agree, it may certainly come to this. Irish_Dem Nov 25 #4

Small tactical nukes? BWdem4life Nov 25 #14

I tend to agree with you, but the evil powers don't see it that way. Irish_Dem Nov 26 #15

wouldn't dare? rampartd Nov 25 #5

It's up to Europe for a while. Hopefully that changes. themaguffin Nov 25 #6

drray, I have been posting this very thought and asking what is it gonna take to come to the aid of Ukraine Deuxcents Nov 25 #7

First thing European forces should do if they go that route, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 25 #8

The Europeans know they have to lead NATO now -- but it's taking them some time to make that pivot. paulkienitz Nov 25 #9

They are working to increase their production capacity. InstantGratification Nov 25 #12

I think they'll be okay. They don't need to match our capacity, just what's left of Russia's. paulkienitz Nov 26 #20

And stop any information sharing with the trump/putin axis. erronis Nov 25 #10

Or...Putin could fall out of a window... DingleBerryNW Nov 25 #11

I think if Putin were to try that nuclear move that moniss Nov 25 #13

First they should give Putin the middle finger, Emile Nov 26 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Nov 26 #17

I'm with you. Stop this nightmare once and for all. Joinfortmill Nov 26 #18

Agreed. Certainly Russia is on its last legs and more help from Europe could finally break them LymphocyteLover Nov 26 #19

Or, Ukraine can continuously bleed them out and reduce casualties. It doesn't look good for Russia uponit7771 Nov 26 #21