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B.See

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131. Perhaps not as amazed as you might think.

Fri Oct 3, 2025, 06:40 PM

16 hrs ago

I've never denied the possibility of it, nor claimed it as an impossibility. What I have said (in response to similar posts) is that Republicans have long been rigging the vote, via voter suppression and in numerous other ways even before Election Night 2024.

And I've been posting news items and writing op-eds about this for a good decade, including that 2018 Abrams, Kemp gubernatorial DEBACLE in Georgia.

Fact is, their efforts have been so widespread, so varied, so maliciously all-encompassing, and ongoing for SO long, that it's difficult even for one who's been following it, to remember it all.

That's by design, of course.

Here are just THREE, quite detailed, Wikipedia references re. THE REPUBLICAN ATTACK UPON THE RIGHT TO VOTE:

Republican Party efforts to disrupt the 2024 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

Republican efforts to restrict voting following the 2020 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

Voter suppression in the United States - Wikipedia

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BOMBSHELL CLAIM: TRUMP DID NOT WIN 2024, ELECTION MANIPULATED [View all] CNYHarris 20 hrs ago OP

Auditing could be too late CNYHarris 20 hrs ago #1

WOW John Coktosten 20 hrs ago #2

Trump wants to ban mail in ballots CNYHarris 20 hrs ago #3

No, you can't call the voter to see true voter intent. Ms. Toad 18 hrs ago #75

Post removed Post removed 20 hrs ago #4

I won't ever believe he was elected. BurnDoubt 20 hrs ago #5

I've never believed it either BonnieJW 19 hrs ago #36

And (correct me if I'm wrong here); robbob 18 hrs ago #81

The closest swing state was Wisconsin... SickOfTheOnePct 17 hrs ago #94

Ok, I guess it was just another internet rumour. robbob 11 hrs ago #143

No RandySF 20 hrs ago #6

It was rigged from the start 31st Street Bridge 20 hrs ago #7

I believe we have to focus on your concern. yellow dahlia 18 hrs ago #82

Most definately. Very evident when you have precincts that voted all democrat with Trump for president. LiberalArkie 18 hrs ago #91

I have thought this since the election took place. Trump was thanking Musk for the use of his computers. OLDMDDEM 20 hrs ago #8

I watched about half of this creeksneakers2 20 hrs ago #9

if only NJCher 20 hrs ago #11

OK, I'll watch the rest creeksneakers2 20 hrs ago #18

I watched the rest creeksneakers2 19 hrs ago #38

Voting machines are not programmed with lots of people around questionseverything 18 hrs ago #60

I gave up on this kind of fact-free clickbait long ago. Good on you Maru Kitteh 16 hrs ago #122

That's the problem for more exposure lildDemz 19 hrs ago #39

Yeah, it's funny how the conspiracy theorists who make these videos... SickOfTheOnePct 20 hrs ago #14

I understood that what they do, which I have to assume they do before they open the doors for the public, is Escurumbele 20 hrs ago #19

For that to work... SickOfTheOnePct 20 hrs ago #21

Follow the tabulators Doremus 18 hrs ago #58

In Virginia... SickOfTheOnePct 18 hrs ago #63

Do you understand, you can't see software? questionseverything 18 hrs ago #67

Having been a computer programmer ... SickOfTheOnePct 18 hrs ago #69

Not if a predetermined result was programmed in at the factory questionseverything 18 hrs ago #71

I'm saying ... SickOfTheOnePct 18 hrs ago #77

Musk knew that the Central Tabulators and Operating Systems of E.S.&E and Dominion Voting Systems had Botany 17 hrs ago #120

No state uses a single set of "central tabulators" to count all of the state's vote... SickOfTheOnePct 17 hrs ago #121

The flipping of votes from Harris to Trump and or the deletions of Harris votes were not pre programed into Botany 16 hrs ago #124

But for all of the tabulators... SickOfTheOnePct 16 hrs ago #129

Musk by passed the internet with his use of Starlink and DTC .... direct to cell .... in getting data from and or ... Botany 15 hrs ago #133

There's no cell phone connection either. n/t Ms. Toad 15 hrs ago #135

Your post brought up some issues I remember from... Chemical Bill 16 hrs ago #132

I'm an election worker and that can't be done Kaleva 19 hrs ago #30

Same n/t SickOfTheOnePct 19 hrs ago #35

Observer for more than a decade - same. Ms. Toad 9 hrs ago #148

It would not be that easy. creeksneakers2 19 hrs ago #41

Thank you for adding some reason and reality to this discussion AverageOldGuy 18 hrs ago #84

How it was done is not the first question. returnee 18 hrs ago #85

when all is said and done NJCher 20 hrs ago #10

The last legitimate win for a republican for POTUS was in 1956 and in every case starting with Nixon in '68 Botany 20 hrs ago #22

Bush v. Gore being a classic example Ritabert 19 hrs ago #40

What Botany said! yellow dahlia 18 hrs ago #88

2024, 2016, 2004, 2000 yellow dahlia 18 hrs ago #87

Election deniers get old. Silent Type 20 hrs ago #12

I guess we love our country more than NJCher 19 hrs ago #25

Nah, it's just kind of a sad spectacle at this point. Just like 9/11 truthers, moon landing deniers, tritsofme 19 hrs ago #26

you always have the same comment NJCher 19 hrs ago #29

Yes, I happen to exist in the reality based community. tritsofme 19 hrs ago #32

common answer, again NJCher 11 hrs ago #145

Until the facts change, the comment doesn't need to change EdmondDantes_ 17 hrs ago #95

again NJCher 11 hrs ago #146

LOL. Silent Type 19 hrs ago #46

Everybody gets old if they're lucky. returnee 18 hrs ago #89

The Election Truth Alliance is garbage EdmondDantes_ 20 hrs ago #13

Grifting grifters are going to grift gullible rubes, that is a given. tritsofme 20 hrs ago #16

explain it, then NJCher 19 hrs ago #28

I'm not the one making the unsupported conspiracy theory EdmondDantes_ 17 hrs ago #100

strictly your opinion NJCher 11 hrs ago #144

You Already Know What i'm Going To Say Mr.Bee 20 hrs ago #15

Well, Democrats better do something about it because it will only get worst for the 2026 and 2028 elections. Escurumbele 20 hrs ago #17

Supposing for a moment their claims are true EdmondDantes_ 20 hrs ago #20

Because AZJonnie 19 hrs ago #33

Given it would require actors all over the country, including Democrats, nope. EdmondDantes_ 17 hrs ago #103

Did you watch the show? AZJonnie 17 hrs ago #107

We already know. live love laugh 19 hrs ago #23

Doesn't really matter at this point does it? BlueTsunami2018 19 hrs ago #24

Interesting stuff, I will look forward to the follow-up interview AZJonnie 19 hrs ago #27

You're missing the bit about the swing states using paper ballots Abnredleg 19 hrs ago #42

I hope it did not sound like I was conveying that I thought the CT presented by the guest was LIKELY AZJonnie 17 hrs ago #98

And how many check vote ballots do they run in their test. Less than 500? Festivito 5 min ago #155

It's not that past a certain threshold all votes were recorded for *rump questionseverything 19 hrs ago #49

Depends on recounting paper ballots. We're not allowed to recount paper ballots. Festivito 19 hrs ago #31

Paper ballots are counted during risk limiting audits /nt Abnredleg 19 hrs ago #43

No they aren't, a small sample are counted not even an entire precinct questionseverything 19 hrs ago #50

Yes, it is understood that audits work off samples Abnredleg 19 hrs ago #52

Counting paper ballots openly and transparently would work too questionseverything 18 hrs ago #56

The audits are done in front of observers Abnredleg 18 hrs ago #61

No one is suggesting counting the entire county at once questionseverything 18 hrs ago #66

I've yet to find an election official of either party Abnredleg 18 hrs ago #72

Democracy demands transparency for the average citizen so questionseverything 18 hrs ago #79

All parties have observers watching every step of the process Abnredleg 18 hrs ago #90

Full public view means, where the public can see questionseverything 17 hrs ago #97

There is a reason no election officials support hand counts Abnredleg 17 hrs ago #99

*rump's people were trying to cause crap, I simply want transparency questionseverything 17 hrs ago #106

Abnredleg, you make some misleading/false statements. Festivito 24 min ago #154

The green obnoxiousdrunk 19 hrs ago #34

Please Watch This Video ... kooth 19 hrs ago #37

Does it explain how they got around the audits Abnredleg 19 hrs ago #45

I remain malaise 19 hrs ago #44

He brings up some good points, the data look quite suspicious, but there is no Fil1957 19 hrs ago #47

Do you want a Smoking Gun? Botany 18 hrs ago #54

How would they know which ballot to toss? Kaleva 18 hrs ago #57

It's actually illegal to look at the paper ballots in Florida questionseverything 18 hrs ago #64

Same in Michigan Kaleva 16 hrs ago #128

It's not that they are tossing ballots questionseverything 8 hrs ago #153

Peter Thiel's Palantir was and is very good at running large batch files of data and democratic leaning voters Botany 18 hrs ago #65

But how do you match the ballot with the dem leaning voter? Kaleva 16 hrs ago #130

I. D. K. Botany 15 hrs ago #134

The point is they are publishing results that are inaccurate questionseverything 14 hrs ago #136

Voter suppression is well documented going back to the 2000 presidential election. My point is that as long there are Fil1957 17 hrs ago #101

I disagree with you but in a nice way. Botany 17 hrs ago #118

I, 100% agree about that 30% bluestarone 16 hrs ago #123

And call me a conspiracy nut but I think the planned and calculated crippling of education helps in the .. Botany 16 hrs ago #126

Man, you got that right! bluestarone 16 hrs ago #127

Oy Vey DemocratSinceBirth 19 hrs ago #48

This is NOT a both sides do it situation. Buddyzbuddy 19 hrs ago #51

We could count the paper ballots openly and transparently questionseverything 18 hrs ago #55

There's a reason why fraud cases have to be " pled with particularity" Abnredleg 18 hrs ago #59

Can I prove there was cheating? No. Buddyzbuddy 18 hrs ago #68

Sure, you can find statistical arguments to support your claim Abnredleg 18 hrs ago #76

The evidence presented answers most questions that might be brought up. Buddyzbuddy 14 hrs ago #137

My skepticism comes from decades of government IT Abnredleg 14 hrs ago #139

I appreciate your experience and knowledge. Buddyzbuddy 13 hrs ago #141

The delays due to bombs were made up Abnredleg 13 hrs ago #142

Very compelling facts, thank you. Buddyzbuddy 9 hrs ago #147

Statistics can be manipulated, that's why risk limiting audits are worthless questionseverything 17 hrs ago #109

Different type of statistical analysis Abnredleg 17 hrs ago #114

lol, ok , so your statistics good, election integrity statistics bad questionseverything 17 hrs ago #116

The statistical methods used to select random samples Abnredleg 14 hrs ago #140

See post #71 questionseverything 8 hrs ago #151

Well said. yellow dahlia 17 hrs ago #96

C'mon everybody, no two or more people would ever agree in secret to break the law Gaugamela 18 hrs ago #53

Like moths to a flame JoseBalow 18 hrs ago #62

Uh oh---gatekeepers not liking this one at all. Kingofalldems 18 hrs ago #70

Bev Harris? madinmaryland 18 hrs ago #73

"I just want to find 11,780, uh, votes." Kid Berwyn 18 hrs ago #74

Whatever became of the claim here there were a couple of counties in New York where Harris did not receive a single vote Gimpyknee 18 hrs ago #78

The county is fighting tooth and nail to make sure regular human beings don't get to count those ballots questionseverything 17 hrs ago #104

The judge in the Rockland County, New York lawsuit has until November 8 to decide annielion 17 hrs ago #112

Pure clickbait... but without the ALL CAPS YELLOW IMPACT FONT, and a YELLOW ARROW pointing at Trump. QueerDuck 18 hrs ago #80

Bull. n/t returnee 18 hrs ago #92

Could we please stop this "Trump did not win in 2024" bullshit??? AverageOldGuy 18 hrs ago #83

Good luck with that. This seems to be unlikely. QueerDuck 17 hrs ago #119

Thanks for your service as an election worker dwayneb 14 hrs ago #138

Yup. Joinfortmill 18 hrs ago #86

Computer voting systems are always hackable. Always. annielion 18 hrs ago #93

I got tired of being yelled at for linking the unbelievable evidence Eliot Rosewater 17 hrs ago #102

I would call the "evidence" not believable v. unbelievable n/t SickOfTheOnePct 17 hrs ago #105

I believe Statitstics, Numbers and Math Mr.Bee 17 hrs ago #108

My two cents? MAGA has B.See 17 hrs ago #113

Especially when the piece of shit himself announces before the election that his friend musk knows those voting machine Eliot Rosewater 17 hrs ago #115

Here Eliot Rosewater 17 hrs ago #117

Perhaps not as amazed as you might think. B.See 16 hrs ago #131

Not a thread on this? Seriously? Offhand, I can recall a number of them posted niyad 17 hrs ago #110

Three parts make sure to watch them all. No it isn't a comedian making the claim Eliot Rosewater 17 hrs ago #111

Trump fans not liking this thread one bit. Kingofalldems 16 hrs ago #125

Post removed Post removed 8 hrs ago #150

Whatcha got against Halloween? berniesandersmittens 8 hrs ago #152

There was no fix. The Right Wing Controls the Media. Americans Are Stupid. MAGA is a cult. Simple as that. NT Blasphemer 9 hrs ago #149