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3. Pakman is not credible

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Wed Sep 24, 2025, 08:12 AM

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I remain doubting malaise [View all] malaise Sep 24 OP

Kamala won gab13by13 Sep 24 #1

In NC, barbtries Sep 24 #9

This. Many of us here don't, and I'm one too. ms liberty Sep 24 #19

Two Months Between Election and Inauguration Mr.Bee Sep 24 #35

Paper ballot hand recounts were necessary. yellow dahlia Sep 24 #110

I kept screaming for recounts on social media and to the dem leadership. 58Sunliner Sep 24 #156

Yup. I was jumping up and down... yellow dahlia Sep 24 #158

No one wanted to pay the hundreds of millions they would have cost n/t MichMan Sep 24 #160

Unfortunate, given the costs to this country right now. yellow dahlia Sep 24 #161

Same in Michigan. Kid Berwyn Sep 24 #87

Same with Oakland County. llmart Sep 24 #146

Not Believable. yellow dahlia Sep 24 #109

When 90 percent of districts moved right, it's not a surprise Harris didn't flip any EdmondDantes_ Sep 24 #14

This interview did not give enough time angryxyouth Sep 24 #55

I've gone to their website. It's not even remotely evidence EdmondDantes_ Sep 24 #58

They don't claim to have the evidence. Chemical Bill Sep 24 #133

The election truth alliance sure spends a lot of time arguing that they have evidence EdmondDantes_ Sep 24 #166

What I would like to see are a bunch of controls intrepidity Sep 24 #128

Election denialism doesn't serve our cause Fiendish Thingy Sep 24 #15

Unless we figure out a way to stop it. I'm sure that is where they are going next Maraya1969 Sep 24 #31

How can you stop something that isn't happening? Nt Fiendish Thingy Sep 24 #67

So sus! yellow dahlia Sep 24 #112

Election fraud denialism hasn't served our cause these past 25 years. Chemical Bill Sep 24 #135

2000 wasn't an election fraud issue Fiendish Thingy Sep 24 #147

Well... Chemical Bill Sep 24 #162

Words have meaning Fiendish Thingy Sep 24 #163

The recounts in 2016 showed... Chemical Bill Sep 24 #164

Jill Stein paid for recounts in a few states MichMan Sep 24 #168

I agree... Chemical Bill Thursday #177

Typically Recounts aren't done unless the margin is Fiendish Thingy Sep 24 #171

I'm sorry you didn't follow the 2016 election. Chemical Bill Thursday #178

I followed the election and the aftermath Fiendish Thingy Thursday #181

Actually what is being shown is the reported totals don't seem to be accurate questionseverything Thursday #173

ding. the election was stolen AllaN01Bear Sep 24 #29

Yup! yellow dahlia Sep 24 #108

He overperformed nearly everywhere Polybius Sep 24 #130

Overperformance by an opponent should be expected Fiendish Thingy Thursday #182

I wake up every morning and the things about which I have certainty continue to diminish.... hlthe2b Sep 24 #2

Pakman is not credible SocialDemocrat61 Sep 24 #3

If you go to their website, the "evidence" is non-existent EdmondDantes_ Sep 24 #10

Trump administration is manipulating employment and autism statistics bucolic_frolic Sep 24 #4

manipulating? barbtries Sep 24 #8

Trump pulling numbers out of his ass is not data manipulation. Wiz Imp Sep 24 #142

Please stop it. They have not manipulated employment data. Wiz Imp Sep 24 #140

He fired the statistician because he didn't like the numbers. So you please open your eyes. /nt bucolic_frolic Sep 24 #143

Don't even go there. You're way out of your league. Wiz Imp Sep 24 #157

me too Malaise. barbtries Sep 24 #5

I mean it's not like they didn't steal elections before. gab13by13 Sep 24 #13

thank you for remembering, especially Ohio barbtries Sep 24 #17

Right yellow dahlia Sep 24 #114

And Humphrey would have won had nixon not committed treason. Clouds Passing Sep 24 #24

I don't know this story, barbtries Sep 24 #32

Thom Hartmann tells the story about how Nixon went to the Vietnamese and asking them Clouds Passing Sep 24 #96

Thom Hartmann tells the story. The Nixon people negotiated with the Vietnamese to continue the war Clouds Passing Sep 24 #98

The party of "family values" is devoid of values. Bluepinky Sep 24 #30

I think Kamala won. Al Gore won. John Kerry won. Mr.Bee Sep 24 #37

yep. barbtries Sep 24 #40

legitimately elected president Mr.Bee Sep 24 #48

Absolutely -so cataclysmic and catastrophic. yellow dahlia Sep 24 #115

Don't forget Hillary. Chemical Bill Sep 24 #138

Yup! yellow dahlia Sep 24 #113

"Bombshell" my ass. "Clickbait," more like. malthaussen Sep 24 #6

Comparing 2020 to 2024 is meaningless. gab13by13 Sep 24 #18

Nope, it's the same ridiculous conspiracy theories, just different mouths moving. tritsofme Sep 24 #72

Agree yellow dahlia Sep 24 #116

You're never gonna give this one up, are ya? Polybius Sep 24 #131

In 2020, there were hand counted paper ballot recounts. Chemical Bill Sep 24 #139

Kamala won. Musk, Peter Theil, Palantir, Eaton, and others were into the vote data. Botany Sep 24 #7

I heard the tabulators used cellular uplinks IbogaProject Sep 24 #46

Musk had 265 low earth orbit satellites turned on on October, 30 2024 that gave him and his crews Botany Sep 24 #61

They even bragged about it. yellow dahlia Sep 24 #119

This! yellow dahlia Sep 24 #118

Absofuckinglutely! yellow dahlia Sep 24 #117

I just wat to say one word: Duh! slightlv Sep 24 #11

Easily refuted clickbait nonsense Fiendish Thingy Sep 24 #12

A forensic audit was never done, gab13by13 Sep 24 #16

There's no such thing Fiendish Thingy Sep 24 #22

You don't listen to the material and you present an article that uses a " theory " that is clearly explained away questionseverything Sep 24 #84

Blah, blah, blah Fiendish Thingy Sep 24 #89

So you are admitting you have not read or listened to any of the material presented questionseverything Sep 24 #91

I have been exposed to every evidence-free, cockamamie 2024 election-denying conspiracy theory out there Fiendish Thingy Sep 24 #94

I heard they stole it using Jewish Space Lasers! 🤣🙄 Wiz Imp Sep 24 #145

From one member of the reality based community to another... Fiendish Thingy Sep 24 #148

I am right there with you, malaise. llmart Sep 24 #20

Agree. yellow dahlia Sep 24 #121

It's hard for me to believe that Trump's army of marching morons totaled 77,000,000 Americans RVN VET71 Sep 24 #21

I wrote about it in February Mr.Bee Sep 24 #23

And it was removed, wasn't it? MichMan Sep 24 #27

Sounds like the jury made a wise decision. tritsofme Sep 24 #73

That's Right! Mr.Bee Thursday #180

How about AverageOldGuy Sep 24 #25

2034 Mr.Bee Sep 24 #38

My concern is there won't be an election in 2026. rubbersole Sep 24 #51

Me too. Kid Berwyn Sep 24 #26

Agree karin_sj Sep 24 #28

The real question we need to be asking ourselves KS Toronado Sep 24 #33

THIS malaise Sep 24 #42

Let me help you out Malaise..... KS Toronado Sep 24 #43

YES. fully agree. I and i feel ALL others here cannot prove 100% if the election WAS or WAS NOT stolen. bluestarone Sep 24 #60

I have often wondered why someone in our party KS Toronado Sep 24 #62

What polls are you talking about? EdmondDantes_ Sep 24 #65

Prior to the election there were plenty of pools showing us winning KS Toronado Sep 24 #68

That's not an answer EdmondDantes_ Sep 24 #69

Why are you attacking me? KS Toronado Sep 24 #74

Nothing I have said is even remotely an attack EdmondDantes_ Sep 24 #85

human nature RoseTrellis Thursday #179

Because this entire election denial narrative is garbage? tritsofme Sep 24 #75

Transparency in elections is not nonsense ...Geesh questionseverything Sep 24 #90

No, but these delusional conspiracy theories sure are. tritsofme Sep 24 #99

Ms Harris is not a computer scientist or programmer so how could this be on her? questionseverything Sep 24 #106

All we need to do is handcount the precincts that are suspicious in Pennsylvania questionseverything Sep 24 #83

Been doing ouside duties here. I've heard of NO surveys being done. bluestarone Sep 24 #100

Elias is a lawyer not a computer programmer questionseverything Sep 24 #105

Hasn't he watched all the same videos that claim to prove it was stolen? MichMan Sep 24 #107

Right. yellow dahlia Sep 24 #126

I do understand that. bluestarone Sep 24 #137

I wonder if Marc Elias was advised to stay away from any form of yellow dahlia Sep 24 #124

So you're questioning the integrity of Marc Elias? Wiz Imp Sep 24 #149

I LOVE Marc Elias. yellow dahlia Sep 24 #152

If you think Marc Elias would listen to the consultants, you're absolutely questioning Wiz Imp Sep 24 #155

If you know him, and apparently you profess to, yellow dahlia Sep 24 #159

Now these delusional conspiracy theories make people like Marc Elias complicit in covering up a stolen election? tritsofme Sep 24 #165

Are you accusing me of asserting that Marc Elias was complicit yellow dahlia Sep 24 #167

Your post absolutely accuses Elias of being complicit tritsofme Sep 24 #169

I never accused Marc Elias of being complicit in a cover up. yellow dahlia Sep 24 #170

First we have to identify the problem questionseverything Sep 24 #103

You don't have to get conspiratorial, they cheated in the usual and obvious ways unblock Sep 24 #34

All true, in addition why would Musk spend nearly 300 million if they could win by cheating the system anyway. . Doodley Sep 24 #59

I do have a theory about musk buying those names of people that weren't registered to vote yet questionseverything Sep 24 #93

And if Musk could cheat to elect Trump, why didn't it work in the Wisconsin SC election? Wiz Imp Sep 24 #150

We all pretty much agree that repubs cheat every chance they get questionseverything Sep 24 #86

There's certainly no sense of ethics at work there, to be sure. unblock Sep 24 #141

I mean. He won enough. For instance (anecdotal) SSJVegeta Sep 24 #36

Yep I felt the fix was in as soon as Oct 7 happened IbogaProject Sep 24 #50

Yup SSJVegeta Sep 24 #53

Every one of these arguments SCantiGOP Sep 24 #39

Why is david pakman promoting this BS? SSJVegeta Sep 24 #54

smartelections.us, a nonpartisan organization, is also looking into election fraud via computerized voting systems. Bluepinky Sep 24 #41

If it is so widespread, why choose a few tiny precincts in a state that Harris won? MichMan Sep 24 #45

Go to their website and watch the videos about their findings, very informative. Bluepinky Sep 24 #49

What happens if the hand count in Rockland County NY doesn't pan out to show anything nefarious? MichMan Sep 24 #102

We won't know until it's completed. Let's see what it shows. Bluepinky Sep 24 #122

The Rockland County lawsuit is a joke. Wiz Imp Sep 24 #151

Why would you say that? All they want is to hand count the ballots questionseverything Thursday #175

I've written about this many times already. I don't feel like repeating myself Wiz Imp Thursday #183

If there is anyone in the world that would try to steal an election... kentuck Sep 24 #44

SmartEleactions.us Sept 29, 8 pm ET. Election Verification Orientation. annielion Sep 24 #47

That's great! SmartElections.us is so important and informative. Bluepinky Sep 24 #52

De rec. Sorry sis, but on this subject we most definitely part ways. Celerity Sep 24 #56

Just out of curiosity, do you acknowledge that volkswagons cheating software existed? questionseverything Sep 24 #125

I live in a swing state, Georgia. We received 12, yes 12, no exaggeration 12 flyers for Trump. None for Harris. Doodley Sep 24 #57

Both may be true. Bluepinky Sep 24 #66

Doubt the 2024 POTUS election more over time. PufPuf23 Sep 24 #63

Saw that. returnee Sep 24 #64

Another angle: returnee Sep 24 #70

Yes. I have identified the same possible reverse psy-ops type technique. yellow dahlia Sep 24 #129

This election denial nonsense is actually a malicious attack on the character of Kamala Harris tritsofme Sep 24 #71

And the elected officials of the swing states MichMan Sep 24 #101

Exactly. These attacks against Harris and Democrats really are pathetic. tritsofme Sep 24 #104

It took months and dozens of workers to find this evidence questionseverything Sep 24 #111

Yet within minutes of Harris' concession people were already pushing unfounded conspiracy theories. tritsofme Sep 24 #120

How would they catch it? Can they look into the computer guts questionseverything Sep 24 #123

There was nothing to catch, except in the imagination of the folks so enthralled with these conspiracy theories. tritsofme Sep 24 #127

I never thought he won fair and square and the muskrat rigged the election in his favor kimbutgar Sep 24 #76

Sounds like the exact same sort of election denial conspiracy theories Trumpers pushed in 2020. tritsofme Sep 24 #77

I agree with your comment and for a long time didn't want to think it was real but as time goes on I feel that way. kimbutgar Sep 24 #78

I'm disappointed and angry with my neighbors for choosing this evil tritsofme Sep 24 #79

Which voting machine companies are owned by democrats? questionseverything Sep 24 #95

Not just many, ALL of the swing states except for Georgia had Democratic Governors Wiz Imp Sep 24 #153

Repubs don't have to control the state, they already control the vote counting and reporting machines questionseverything Sep 24 #88

To think he won honestly is to defy logic, common sense, and facts. Irish_Dem Sep 24 #80

Ding ding malaise Sep 24 #92

If this were a criminal investigation it would be a slam dunk. Irish_Dem Sep 24 #97

Always ask the question - who benefits? yellow dahlia Sep 24 #134

Yep Irish_Dem Sep 24 #136

Yup! and Yup! yellow dahlia Sep 24 #132

Not enough data to convince me, but Coldwater Sep 24 #81

I don't know where you were, but Trump wasn't remotely quiet immediately after the election Wiz Imp Sep 24 #154

I like mayonnaise, also. Much better than miracle whip. madinmaryland Sep 24 #82

K&R spanone Sep 24 #144

We know she actually won Roxi Thursday #172

I hope we know tge truth before I croak malaise Thursday #174

I never thought Trump won. OLDMDDEM Thursday #176

Taking into account repugs physically took election machines to run "forensics" on them GreenWave Thursday #184