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In reply to the discussion: This message was self-deleted by its author [View all]ancianita
(42,002 posts)54. Here is antifa's letter to trump, the first and last time antifa in the U.S. spoke up for itself.
Dear Mr. Trump:
Let us be perfectly clear:
Antifa isnt an organization.
Theres no membership, no meetings, no dues, no rules, no leaders, no structure. It is, literally, an idea and nothing more.
Even the claim of this author to represent Antifa is one made unilaterally for the purposes of this communication and nothing more; there is no governing body nor trademark owner to dispute the authors right to represent AntiFa.
Antifa is a neologism constructed from a contraction of the phrase anti-fascist. The truth is, theres no such thing as being anti-Fascist. Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
The ostensible president of the United States has, today, openly declared that he is a fascist, and that he intends to turn the military power of the United States into a fascist tool.
Now there is no question, and we can stop pretending that this man represents anything but the worst in humanity, which his supporters embody.
And that is the only effect his words will have.
It will likely be no problem for LEO to identify the author of this document, who also has maintained the AntiFa page on Facebook since founding it in 2017.
The author of this document is unconcerned with that inevitability because neither that author, nor this document, has been involved in a crime of any sort in any way.
But, since both the president and the media insist on acting as though AntiFa is this big, scary organization, the author supposes its time for AntiFa to make a statement.
Thus:
AntiFa supports and defends the right of all people to live free from oppressive abuse of power, whether that power is unjustly derived from wealth, status as an employer, or political popularity.
Particularly, AntiFa defends and supports the right of oppressed and marginalized people to protest, march, and engage in civil disobedience in pursuit of justice. While it is never our intent to engage in violent or destructive behavior, we cannot and will not take responsibility for telling people how they are allowed to be righteously outraged.
We prefer and encourage non-violent action. We also understand that some people just arent feeling that nice anymore. Their feelings are entirely justified, and it is neither our role nor our privilege to tell them otherwise.
Mass civil disobedience is what happens when people say theyre hurting and whoevers hurting them refuses to stop.
Stop hurting them. Fix your broken systems. Get real and meaningful psychological evaluations and background checks - police in some nations have to pass a more stringent test to carry pepper spray than any police department in the US, or the US military, have in place. As a direct and possibly deliberate consequence, our military and paramilitary personnel simply cannot be assumed to be fighting in the interests of the people of this country.
Weve all seen the photos. This destruction and burning and looting is largely the behavior of outsiders; white people taking advantage of the situation both to enrich themselves by looting under cover of the protests, and to provide excuses for uncontrolled fascist elements within our military and police forces as plausible cover for killing more black, brown, and poor people without fear of sanction.
The so-called accellerationists who have committed to ensuring that, any time a marginalized community stands up and demands justice, construct a narrative of criminality and destruction that white bigots and affluent oligarchs who benefit from our broken system to validate their bigotry and injustice retroactively. They are successful in this for two reasons: because people like you are easily manipulated in your banal, self-serving ignorance, and because people like you are more than happy to passive-aggressively reap the benefits of pretending to believe this destruction is the act of the oppressed.
This game has gone on for decades on an endless loop since the very dawn of the civil rights era, and we the people are saying no more.
And that, President Trump, is your solution. No more. Get the dirt out of your law enforcement and your military. Get the dirt out of your government and administration. Ideally, resign now and take your VP and cabinet with you; Nancy Pelosi isnt a great deal of improvement, but shell only be president for a few months.
You cant arrest 100 million of us, sir, and you would be well-advised not to try. If you think that targeting and making an example of the author of this document will get you anywhere, you may rest assured that this author is more than prepared to allow his real name to be used as a rallying cry for justice and civil disobedience from coast to coast.
It is time for you and everyone who thinks like you to understand that whether black, red, brown, white, or any other color, Americans are done living in a nation of empty platitudes and broken promises.
Traditionally, this type of document is accompanied by a list of demands. Here are our demands:
-Universal single payer health care, without regard for citizenship status.
-Universal basic income WITH a federal job guarantee, under which the federal government becomes the employer of last resort. Involuntary unemployment is a function of profiteering by fascist capitalist oligarchs who are willing to sacrifice the lives of others for their own enrichment. It must end.
-The abolition of right to work laws which do exactly the opposite of ensuring anyones right to work.
-Publicly funded higher education.
-Robust and effective social welfare programs to include child care, education, employment training and counseling, parenting skills training, and life skills training including fiscal education.
-A requirement that functional proficiency in media, political, and economic literacy be demonstrated to graduate high school.
-The creation of a publicly funded non-partisan media source to serve as the primary source of government information, to be overseen and managed day to day by a coalition of well-known communicators, political scientists, and other experts in propaganda to strip ALL bias from official information before it is broadcast.
-Federal charges of treason filed against anyone willfully and knowingly attempting to minimize public perception of the impact and risks of the coronavirus.
-Reform of whistleblower laws to ensure they have teeth, and particularly to ensure that a whistleblower, acting in good faith, is not identified to the public, ever.
In the end, Mr. President, the simple reality is that AntiFa isnt a thing. You cant end it, you cant arrest it, and you cant silence it. Nor, in any decent nation, would the attempt even be made.
Antifa means Anti-Fascism.
The only position that opposes that is fascism. In the end, there is no organization that you can declare terrorists.
You, sir, and yours, are the terrorists, and your victims are done putting up with it.
America is not, in spite of having an openly admitted fascist as president, a fascist nation. Weve had wars about this. The fascists are 0-2.
Please, Mr. President - lets not try to make it 0-3? Because it will never, ever be 1-2, and none of us wants to see the death toll from your attempt to make it so.
Currently, media and other actors wishing to contact this author may do so through the page. Should Mr. Zuckerberg, who has displayed plenty of authoritarian and fascist tendencies himself, decide not to host that page any longer, this document will be updated.
Best Regards,
AntiFa.
Let us be perfectly clear:
Antifa isnt an organization.
Theres no membership, no meetings, no dues, no rules, no leaders, no structure. It is, literally, an idea and nothing more.
Even the claim of this author to represent Antifa is one made unilaterally for the purposes of this communication and nothing more; there is no governing body nor trademark owner to dispute the authors right to represent AntiFa.
Antifa is a neologism constructed from a contraction of the phrase anti-fascist. The truth is, theres no such thing as being anti-Fascist. Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
The ostensible president of the United States has, today, openly declared that he is a fascist, and that he intends to turn the military power of the United States into a fascist tool.
Now there is no question, and we can stop pretending that this man represents anything but the worst in humanity, which his supporters embody.
And that is the only effect his words will have.
It will likely be no problem for LEO to identify the author of this document, who also has maintained the AntiFa page on Facebook since founding it in 2017.
The author of this document is unconcerned with that inevitability because neither that author, nor this document, has been involved in a crime of any sort in any way.
But, since both the president and the media insist on acting as though AntiFa is this big, scary organization, the author supposes its time for AntiFa to make a statement.
Thus:
AntiFa supports and defends the right of all people to live free from oppressive abuse of power, whether that power is unjustly derived from wealth, status as an employer, or political popularity.
Particularly, AntiFa defends and supports the right of oppressed and marginalized people to protest, march, and engage in civil disobedience in pursuit of justice. While it is never our intent to engage in violent or destructive behavior, we cannot and will not take responsibility for telling people how they are allowed to be righteously outraged.
We prefer and encourage non-violent action. We also understand that some people just arent feeling that nice anymore. Their feelings are entirely justified, and it is neither our role nor our privilege to tell them otherwise.
Mass civil disobedience is what happens when people say theyre hurting and whoevers hurting them refuses to stop.
Stop hurting them. Fix your broken systems. Get real and meaningful psychological evaluations and background checks - police in some nations have to pass a more stringent test to carry pepper spray than any police department in the US, or the US military, have in place. As a direct and possibly deliberate consequence, our military and paramilitary personnel simply cannot be assumed to be fighting in the interests of the people of this country.
Weve all seen the photos. This destruction and burning and looting is largely the behavior of outsiders; white people taking advantage of the situation both to enrich themselves by looting under cover of the protests, and to provide excuses for uncontrolled fascist elements within our military and police forces as plausible cover for killing more black, brown, and poor people without fear of sanction.
The so-called accellerationists who have committed to ensuring that, any time a marginalized community stands up and demands justice, construct a narrative of criminality and destruction that white bigots and affluent oligarchs who benefit from our broken system to validate their bigotry and injustice retroactively. They are successful in this for two reasons: because people like you are easily manipulated in your banal, self-serving ignorance, and because people like you are more than happy to passive-aggressively reap the benefits of pretending to believe this destruction is the act of the oppressed.
This game has gone on for decades on an endless loop since the very dawn of the civil rights era, and we the people are saying no more.
And that, President Trump, is your solution. No more. Get the dirt out of your law enforcement and your military. Get the dirt out of your government and administration. Ideally, resign now and take your VP and cabinet with you; Nancy Pelosi isnt a great deal of improvement, but shell only be president for a few months.
You cant arrest 100 million of us, sir, and you would be well-advised not to try. If you think that targeting and making an example of the author of this document will get you anywhere, you may rest assured that this author is more than prepared to allow his real name to be used as a rallying cry for justice and civil disobedience from coast to coast.
It is time for you and everyone who thinks like you to understand that whether black, red, brown, white, or any other color, Americans are done living in a nation of empty platitudes and broken promises.
Traditionally, this type of document is accompanied by a list of demands. Here are our demands:
-Universal single payer health care, without regard for citizenship status.
-Universal basic income WITH a federal job guarantee, under which the federal government becomes the employer of last resort. Involuntary unemployment is a function of profiteering by fascist capitalist oligarchs who are willing to sacrifice the lives of others for their own enrichment. It must end.
-The abolition of right to work laws which do exactly the opposite of ensuring anyones right to work.
-Publicly funded higher education.
-Robust and effective social welfare programs to include child care, education, employment training and counseling, parenting skills training, and life skills training including fiscal education.
-A requirement that functional proficiency in media, political, and economic literacy be demonstrated to graduate high school.
-The creation of a publicly funded non-partisan media source to serve as the primary source of government information, to be overseen and managed day to day by a coalition of well-known communicators, political scientists, and other experts in propaganda to strip ALL bias from official information before it is broadcast.
-Federal charges of treason filed against anyone willfully and knowingly attempting to minimize public perception of the impact and risks of the coronavirus.
-Reform of whistleblower laws to ensure they have teeth, and particularly to ensure that a whistleblower, acting in good faith, is not identified to the public, ever.
In the end, Mr. President, the simple reality is that AntiFa isnt a thing. You cant end it, you cant arrest it, and you cant silence it. Nor, in any decent nation, would the attempt even be made.
Antifa means Anti-Fascism.
The only position that opposes that is fascism. In the end, there is no organization that you can declare terrorists.
You, sir, and yours, are the terrorists, and your victims are done putting up with it.
America is not, in spite of having an openly admitted fascist as president, a fascist nation. Weve had wars about this. The fascists are 0-2.
Please, Mr. President - lets not try to make it 0-3? Because it will never, ever be 1-2, and none of us wants to see the death toll from your attempt to make it so.
Currently, media and other actors wishing to contact this author may do so through the page. Should Mr. Zuckerberg, who has displayed plenty of authoritarian and fascist tendencies himself, decide not to host that page any longer, this document will be updated.
Best Regards,
AntiFa.
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I do understand why you took it in totality the way you did. Perhaps WG will come along to clarify.
AZJonnie
Sep 19
#20
I took it in totality because HE said modern antifa is simply a front group for the communism
SamuelTheThird
Sep 19
#24
Yes, I already said I understood why you took it the way you did. The word "today" clouded the point.
AZJonnie
Sep 19
#25
These people are (or were, until recently) out in the streets actually fighting real neo-nazis
SamuelTheThird
Sep 19
#9
Your dad was under orders of the US military which was fighting Germany, which happened to be fascist.
LeftInTX
Sep 19
#15
My dad got in during Korea. He was a B29 pilot. Then stayed in for 20 years. He was also sent to Vietnam
LeftInTX
Sep 19
#26
Thank you! GI's are not protesters! The US military is also not technically "anti-fascist".
LeftInTX
Sep 19
#14
It does exist. Portland has an active group. You can read more on their website:
LeftInTX
Sep 19
#32
Wingnuts/MAGAts from their ignorance usually blur words/concepts, such as saying "We are a REPUBLIC, not a DEMOCRACY" &
UTUSN
Sep 19
#35
Remind me again which side Stalin and the USSR ended up on in World War Two?
muriel_volestrangler
Sep 19
#36
Here is antifa's letter to trump, the first and last time antifa in the U.S. spoke up for itself.
ancianita
Sep 20
#54