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ántifa. As in ANTI = AGAINST. fa is short for fascism. You misunderstand the history of antifa.
We went over this term during the felon's first term.

We say the word ANtifa, or antiFA ------- not anTIfa.
EMphasis on the first syllable, or even on the last , BUT NOT not on the middle syllable.

Counterrevolutionary anti-fascism, also known as conservative and liberal anti-fascism, refers to the opposition to fascism grounded in the defense of democracy, constitutional order, and traditional institutions. Unlike revolutionary anti-fascism, which aims for social and political transformation, counterrevolutionary anti-fascism is focused on preserving or restoring pre-war political systems, such as constitutional monarchies and republics based on Enlightenment ideals.[17][18][19][20]

This form of anti-fascism is often associated with prominent figures such as Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill and Charles de Gaulle, who opposed fascist authoritarianism while also resisting revolutionary movements that sought to radically change society.[18][21] It was supported by a broad coalition of groups, including capitalists, trade unionists, social democrats, and traditionalists, all of whom united in their opposition to fascism and their support for political stability.[18][19][21]

Counterrevolutionary anti-fascism sought to challenge fascist ideologies and movements, aiming to preserve existing democratic structures and stabilize society. It focused on reinforcing confidence in democratic governance and addressing extremist movements, setting itself apart from revolutionary anti-fascism, which frequently aimed at challenging capitalist systems.[18][19]

During the Spanish civil war against Franco...Thousands of people from many countries went to Spain in support of the anti-fascist cause, joining units such as the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, the British Battalion, the Dabrowski Battalion, the Mackenzie-Papineau Battalion, the Naftali Botwin Company and the Thälmann Battalion, including Winston Churchill's nephew, Esmond Romilly.[65] Notable anti-fascists who worked internationally against Franco included: George Orwell (who fought in the POUM militia and wrote Homage to Catalonia about his experience), Ernest Hemingway (a supporter of the International Brigades who wrote For Whom the Bell Tolls about his experience), and the radical journalist Martha Gellhorn.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

You define antifa the way the Nazi right wing does in this country. Know why antifa got shit back in trump's first term? Because they had success against white supremacy hate groups! Politico and establishment media have been too lazy to bother with anti-fascist history.

"Anarchist extremists" are usually police infiltrators and their provocateurs paid to justify police beatdowns of otherwise peaceful protestors with right on their side.

U.S. DEFENDERS (antifa) will be framed as the bad guys, as they were in Germany, Italy, Spain and Wall Street, you idiot.

The state can't have the working class organizing for their own self-defense because eventually everyone will understand who ELSE is the enemy alongside the fascists. And who abets the fascists.

Remember the assassinations of the 1960s/70s. Remember them. Same modus operandi from the state.


So don't get the concept or reality of antifa twisted. All the big photos here won't change antifa history.
Don't present the German version of antifa as the last word on what antifa really, truly is worldwide.

I posted about antifa 5 years ago on DU. In it was the only written response by antifa in the U.S. in its history.
At the time the post got over 4,000 views. If I were you, I'd define someone by how they define themselves and their actions. Not by how Germany defined them. And they certainly are NOT now nor were ever a communist front. Not at all.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213527954


Ultimately, the fascists are part of the defense of the capitalist state AGAINST the working class. Those two are on the same side and it is NOT on the side of the masses. Antifa is the masses. We are all antifa.

I said it then and I'll say it again: there's never been anything to fear about antifa. Western European countries give thanks to antifa for their very existence. I'm glad they're around, and will never let anyone tell me who they are and where. They're everywhere.

Your whole post has antifa all twisted.
And YES, grandpa was antifa.

I appreciate you, WarGamer but you need to read this damn book.