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markodochartaigh

(4,172 posts)
19. Yes, look at William Callie,
Sat Sep 20, 2025, 12:07 AM
Sep 20

William Laws Calley Jr. (June 8, 1943 – April 28, 2024) was a United States Army officer convicted by court-martial of the murder of 22 unarmed South Vietnamese civilians in the My Lai massacre on March 16, 1968, during the Vietnam War. Calley was released to house arrest under orders by President Richard Nixon three days after his conviction. The United States District Court for the Middle District of Georgia granted him a new trial, but that ruling was overturned by the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit. His initial life sentence having been modified to a term of 20 years and then further reduced to ten, Calley ultimately served three years of house arrest for the murders.
Or Jacob Smith:
"'I want no prisoners. I wish you to kill and burn, the more you kill and burn the better it will please me. I want all persons killed who are capable of bearing arms in actual hostilities against the United States,' General Jacob H. Smith said.

Since it was a popular belief among the Americans serving in the Philippines that native males were born with bolos in their hands, Major Littleton "Tony" Waller asked, "I would like to know the limit of age to respect, sir."

"Ten years", Smith said.

"Persons of ten years and older are those designated as being capable of bearing arms?"

"Yes." Smith confirmed his instructions a second time."
In May 1902, Smith faced a court-martial for his orders, being tried not for murder or other war crimes, but for "conduct to the prejudice of good order and military discipline". The court-martial found Smith guilty and sentenced him "to be admonished by the reviewing authority."[31]

To ease the subsequent public outcry in America, Secretary of War Elihu Root recommended that Smith be retired. President Roosevelt accepted this recommendation, and ordered Smith's retirement from the Army, with no additional punishment.

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It was an illegal order and the rank and file know it. Klarkashton Sep 19 #1
I can't disagree. paleotn Sep 19 #2
They have to stop worrying about getting some BS letters and start refusing to obey what they clearly know Liberal In Texas Sep 19 #4
Don't hold your breath. These are between war military Klarkashton Sep 19 #5
And now we know why the JAG Corp was decimated. No one left to go to for help when given illegal orders? Attilatheblond Sep 20 #48
There are still JAGs mahina Sep 20 #50
Yeah, but not nearly as many Attilatheblond Sep 20 #55
A letter doesn't "absolve" one of following an illegal order Prairie Gates Sep 19 #16
Yes it is ridiculous. A letter from your CO doesn't cover you for committing murder. Irish_Dem Sep 20 #35
This Oldvet Sep 20 #49
Didn't I read they shithole gonna.. Lovie777 Sep 19 #3
Trump already did. Klarkashton Sep 19 #7
Being told "no, it really is okay to follow these orders" doesn't absolve one from RockRaven Sep 19 #6
No way is maga congress going to do an investigation . Klarkashton Sep 19 #8
Yes, look at William Callie, markodochartaigh Sep 20 #19
This is not rumor AverageOldGuy Sep 19 #9
He is ramping up his brinksmanship. There will be a breaking point. usonian Sep 20 #26
Can you imagine, after all you've gone through to achieve flag rank. paleotn Sep 20 #34
That is the point. To humiliate and degrade the US military. Irish_Dem Sep 20 #36
In Nuremberg, Nazis who claimed they were just following orders Jarqui Sep 19 #10
Nope canetoad Sep 20 #29
Maybe I did not express myself well Jarqui Sep 20 #31
It doesn't matter - we first need to get to the point where AdamGG Sep 20 #42
They hit another one a couple of hours ago. iemanja Sep 19 #11
Oh no. America just murders now? BlueWaveNeverEnd Sep 19 #13
That is nothing new Lbn2 Sep 20 #56
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Sep 21 #57
So is this the third boat o dead Venezuelans? n/t ReRe Sep 20 #20
I think so iemanja Sep 20 #21
Holy moley Mother of God. ReRe Sep 20 #23
Trump is incubating counter and surprise strikes all 4 corners of the Earth PufPuf23 Sep 19 #12
No. ReRe Sep 20 #22
Not sure what you mean by "No". PufPuf23 Sep 20 #25
I'm sorry. ReRe Sep 20 #28
It's probable Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller AdamGG Sep 20 #43
How many letters do you think you'll need when they start ordering you to kill fellow Americans? Scalded Nun Sep 19 #14
6 year Navy vet here.. Permanut Sep 20 #24
Too bad , aviators or drone pilots.... Bread and Circuses Sep 19 #15
What else would one expect B.See Sep 19 #17
Sooner or later, Chump will tell them to drop a nuke FakeNoose Sep 19 #18
Honest question NJCher Sep 20 #27
Contact someone in congress. Be a whistleblower LeftInTX Sep 20 #30
UCMJ covers it. paleotn Sep 20 #32
And the people who have authority to enforce the law Kaleva Sep 20 #40
Now I am Codifer Sep 20 #41
It's not too late for a junta Queso Delicioso Sep 20 #33
Et tu Mblaze Sep 20 #37
Trump has and will continue to put people of conscience in difficult positions. surfered Sep 20 #38
I haven't heard any news of them possibly being charged Kaleva Sep 20 #39
Maybe tsf will blow up Elon's mega-yacht for transporting Ketamine. rubbersole Sep 20 #44
Unfortunately WmChris Sep 20 #45
How many has he ordered blown up? Three? Katinfl Sep 20 #46
Commanders don't have the authority to absolve their personnel of wrongdoing LogDog75 Sep 20 #47
think I read this on bluesky vapor2 Sep 20 #51
In the military, it all rolls downhill dlk Sep 20 #52
This wouldn't surprise me a bit Warpy Sep 20 #53
The majority of the military voted for fascism, leaders are hand picked tRump rump kissers, crimes against humanity will ImNotGod Sep 20 #54
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