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dalton99a

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Sun Jun 1, 2025, 11:06 PM Jun 2025

Ukraine just rewrote the rules of war [View all]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/06/01/ukraine-drone-attack-russia-bombers/

Ukraine just rewrote the rules of war
A drone attack damaged Russia’s bomber fleet — and exposed air base vulnerabilities worldwide.
By Max Boot
June 1, 2025 at 6:29 p.m. EDT

On Sunday morning, Dec. 7, 1941, the Imperial Japanese Navy rewrote the rules of warfare. Almost no one had imagined that the Japanese could sneak across an entire ocean to attack an “impregnable fortress,” as U.S. strategists had described Hawaii. Yet that is just what they did. Japanese aircraft launched from six aircraft carriers managed to destroy or damage 328 U.S. aircraft and 19 U.S. Navy ships, including eight battleships. The Pearl Harbor attack signaled the ascendance of aircraft carriers as the dominant force in naval warfare.

The Ukrainians rewrote the rules of warfare again on Sunday. The Russian high command must have been as shocked as the Americans were in 1941 when the Ukrainians carried out a surprise attack against five Russian air bases located far from the front — two of them thousands of miles away in the Russian Far North and Siberia. The Ukrainian intelligence service, known as the SBU, managed to sneak large numbers of drones deep inside Russia in wooden cabins transported by truck, then launch them by remote control.

President Volodymyr Zelensky claimed that Operation Spiderweb, as the Ukrainians are calling it, destroyed or disabled a third of the bombers Russia has been using to launch long-range cruise missiles against Ukraine. Among the Russian planes that were hit, reportedly, were Tu-95 and Tu-22 bombers and A-50 airborne early warning and control aircraft, akin to the U.S. AWACs. (There is no independent confirmation yet of the damage.)

Little wonder that Russian military bloggers rushed to compare Sunday’s attack to the one on Pearl Harbor 84 years ago. The analogy is inapt in that, while the Pearl Harbor attack signaled the start of a new war, the airfield attack against Russia was simply another attempt by Ukrainians to defend themselves against the unprovoked war of aggression launched by Vladimir Putin in 2022. But the analogy might make sense in that both attacks could signal the obsolescence of once dominant weapons systems: battleships in 1941, manned aircraft today. Swarms of Ukrainian drones that probably cost tens of thousands of dollars to build in total might have inflicted $2 billion of damage on Russia’s most sophisticated aircraft.

In the process, the Ukrainians revealed a vulnerability that should give every general in the world sleepless nights. If the Ukrainians could sneak drones so close to major air bases in a police state such as Russia, what is to prevent the Chinese from doing the same with U.S. air bases? Or the Pakistanis with Indian air bases? Or the North Koreans with South Korean air bases?

Militaries that thought they had secured their air bases with electrified fences and guard posts will now have to reckon with the threat from the skies posed by cheap, ubiquitous drones that can be easily modified for military use. This will necessitate a massive investment in counter-drone systems. Money spent on conventional manned weapons systems increasingly looks to be as wasted as spending on the cavalry in the 1930s.

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And still no news about what the drones in the US were Renew Deal Jun 2025 #1
were what? Looks like you didn't finish your reply, as written... ? Jack Valentino Jun 2025 #3
I assume they were referring to this. sheshe2 Jun 2025 #8
Mostly mis-identified piloted planes edhopper Jun 2025 #28
Shit! I didnt even think about that. johnnyfins Jun 2025 #4
I assume it was elons brother Hornedfrog2000 Jun 2025 #26
Mostly mis-identified edhopper Jun 2025 #27
Mostly ThreeNoSeep Jun 2025 #30
What quote? edhopper Jun 2025 #32
Context ThreeNoSeep Jun 2025 #34
I see edhopper Jun 2025 #37
The evidence does not support your conclusion ThreeNoSeep Jun 2025 #38
That seems to be the governments conclusion edhopper Jun 2025 #39
Interesting johnnyfins Jun 2025 #2
Shipping containers by the literal millions have entered our ports unexamined. rubbersole Jun 2025 #9
Except for it wont be done till 2045 Figarosmom Jun 2025 #11
Boot says -- albeit in a much more informed and sophisticated way -- exactly what I've thought today... Hekate Jun 2025 #5
Yup. sheshe2 Jun 2025 #10
I am rather a student of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Jack Valentino Jun 2025 #6
As Spectacular As The US Failure Was modrepub Jun 2025 #21
It was never part of the plan for Japan to take Hawaii, in the attack Jack Valentino Jun 2025 #40
The US spent billions securing commercial aircraft. usonian Jun 2025 #7
Not just planes... Shipwack Jun 2025 #12
Looking forward to: Vlad, in his dacha, with a drone strike. Hassler Jun 2025 #13
Hell, YES!!! BigmanPigman Jun 2025 #14
TY and Kick for Ukraine...💙💛 Cha Jun 2025 #15
We can stop buying $100 million F-35's now. James48 Jun 2025 #16
The US military has been working with drones for over 75 years Johnny2X2X Jun 2025 #35
I have no military background but wouldn't antiaircraft guns Buddyzbuddy Jun 2025 #17
Land based CIWS systems located around the base perimeter Kaleva Jun 2025 #19
Thank you for that information. Buddyzbuddy Jun 2025 #23
A link to the Russian system Kaleva Jun 2025 #25
There have already been (likely) chinese drones k_buddy762 Jun 2025 #18
War Is Expensive modrepub Jun 2025 #20
I think drones are also a major threat for assassination attempts. mackdaddy Jun 2025 #22
Odd they (the ubiquitous they!) compared this to Pearl Harbor ThreeNoSeep Jun 2025 #24
The Pearl Harbor analogy is rather worrisome I-teach-kids Jun 2025 #29
Analogy fails because Russia had started formal hostilities. Nt BadgerKid Jun 2025 #33
Drones are already being flown around US military bases, so yeah, the worry is real. Baitball Blogger Jun 2025 #31
The days of the human military pilot are numbered madville Jun 2025 #36
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