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Sat Dec-11-10 01:34 PM
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Just a simple request. Elizabeth Edwards requested that attacks on John be ceased |
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Edited on Sat Dec-11-10 01:35 PM by saracat
and he be remembered for the good he did, if only for the sake of his children. She and John were reunited for their trip to Japan and he was at her side in the final days.Friends have said she grew to see again the man she had married. Can we just for today , in tribute to a very great lady, pay tribute by honoring those wishes?
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Sat Dec-11-10 01:36 PM
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1. What made her so great? I don't know much about her. |
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Edited on Sat Dec-11-10 02:20 PM by ZombieHorde
edit: I am not saying she is unworthy of people's admiration, I really just don't know much about her. I am not trying to insult someone who had recently passed away.
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Sat Dec-11-10 01:40 PM
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Maybe you could find out. She was a DUer, for one. There is much, much more to learn. A start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Edwards
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Sat Dec-11-10 03:27 PM
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33. I don't think her Wikipedia page is capturing the quality/aspect |
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which makes people love her. Have you read her books? If so, what did you think of them?
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Sun Dec-12-10 08:11 AM
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89. She was a DUer back in the days when that automatically conferred honor |
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but she was nonetheless honorable, kind, gentle and hard as steel, as needed. She was an exemplary human and the fact that she asks us to lay off of her husband shows that in the end, she was able to forgive him for the damn near unforgivable. We, who were not directly affected by his behavior, ought to do as she requests.
She was the best part of that partnership.
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Sun Dec-12-10 01:49 PM
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94. I see. She was helpful to the community here. This makes perfect sense. |
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I was wondering about the emotional reactions to my question. Now I know.
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Sun Dec-12-10 08:58 PM
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95. We've lost many a really good DUer here and they are always accorded |
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respect. We've had some hospital scares but fewer deaths it seems, since 2004. Not none, just fewer.
Yes, we cared greatly for her, hence the vitriol toward her husband. But if she wants us to leave him alone, I, for one, will. I see no reason not to honor her request. He isn't in politics anymore, anyway.
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Sun Dec-12-10 11:51 PM
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101. And so she was a DUer? |
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I'm a DUer...If some of us respectfully stay silent, what does that mean?
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Sat Dec-11-10 01:55 PM
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a brilliant, authentic, passionate, giving, strong, progressive woman. She always fought the good fight and never, ever gave up. And that's just scratching the surface of what made her great.
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Sat Dec-11-10 03:11 PM
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23. Asking for information is insensitive? Interesting. Your anger is your punishment. nt |
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Sat Dec-11-10 08:21 PM
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62. "What made her so great?" carries a negative, challenging tone, FYI. |
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Sat Dec-11-10 09:06 PM
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67. I specifically stated I was not challenging people's admiration. |
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I specifically stated I just did not know much about her.
Fortunately, poor reading comprehension has its own punishment in this case.
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Sat Dec-11-10 09:19 PM
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70. Well. for one thing.... she would not be the kind of person... |
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to have used derogatory remarks in defense of others questioning her.
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Sun Dec-12-10 09:32 PM
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97. There is a difference in tone between "What made her so great?" and "What made her great?" |
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Edited on Sun Dec-12-10 09:33 PM by WinkyDink
I read well, I assure you.
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Sat Dec-11-10 04:57 PM
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52. Were you around in 2004? |
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She got us through the election, for starters.
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Sat Dec-11-10 06:56 PM
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56. No, I started lurking around 2006 or so. nt |
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Sun Dec-12-10 08:13 AM
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90. That would explain it |
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I know I wouldn't have been able to get through the debacle that was the 2004 reselection of the shrub without both of the Edwards. Whatever one might say about him and out of deference to her, I won't, she was salt of the earth, good.
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Sat Dec-11-10 10:39 PM
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You sure didn't try very hard. This is one of the most insensitive posts I've ever read here, and that is saying something.
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Sat Dec-11-10 10:50 PM
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77. I am starting to suspect people are just fucking with me. nt |
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Sun Dec-12-10 09:25 PM
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96. You've been here a while and know not of Elizabeth Edwards? |
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Mon Dec-13-10 12:14 AM
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102. I think that is the second most hated reply I have made on DU. nt |
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Sat Dec-11-10 01:37 PM
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2. i'm with you. k and r. |
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Sat Dec-11-10 01:39 PM
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Sat Dec-11-10 01:38 PM
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3. it's the fool who plays it cool by making the world a little colder |
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Sat Dec-11-10 01:42 PM
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Sat Dec-11-10 01:42 PM
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Rest in peace Elizabeth. I am sure John will be lost without you.
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Sat Dec-11-10 01:44 PM
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9. Gracious to the very end. We can all learn from her. |
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Sat Dec-11-10 01:46 PM
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Thanks for relaying the information.
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Sat Dec-11-10 01:47 PM
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11. I don't think there have been any attacks on him here today. |
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Sat Dec-11-10 01:48 PM
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To a great lady and progressive.
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Sat Dec-11-10 01:51 PM
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13. Elizabeth, among all of her many achievements and qualities, is a shinning example of how |
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to make peace. The peace she made with John and the peace she gave her children.
The irony of it all is that she left this earth in the most peaceful season of the year.
:cry:
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Sat Dec-11-10 01:52 PM
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Honour the lady by honouring her graciousness and her wishes.
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Sat Dec-11-10 01:57 PM
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16. Attacking John only hurts the children. Furthermore, I never |
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heard the outrage when Gingrich asked his bed-ridden hospitalized wife with Cancer for a divorce.
Even we play the double standard.
John Edwards is no longer in Politics. Tell the Media to move on and stop hurting the Edwards children.
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Sat Dec-11-10 03:17 PM
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27. There was plenty of disgust when Gingrich's actions were reported |
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and it, as much as anything, is why he is out of office.
The media had an awkward situation. It is impossible to tell EE's story without mentioning JRE. Not mentioning that the last several years were rocky would be impossible - what happened happened and it is part of her story. That said, many went into far greater detail than needed.
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Sat Dec-11-10 03:28 PM
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34. Sorry, but Newt's actions were far worse. He went to the friggin' |
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hospital, where his wife was recovering from cancer related surgery, and handed her divorce papers. John cheated, yes.. but he would have never left her. Newt Gingrich is far more evil than John Edwards.
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Sat Dec-11-10 03:33 PM
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35. And, contrary to what was written in the post to which you are responding, Newt's infidelity DID NOT |
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end his political career. In fact, it's never even brought up when he appears on the talking head shows to discuss his plans to run for President in 2012
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Sat Dec-11-10 03:42 PM
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40. There were many things that ended his Congressional career |
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That was one - though the fact that shutting down the government backfired was another.
As to a Presidential run - if he is perceived to have a serious chance, you better believe it will be discussed.
Not to mention, don't you remember how weak the defense that " X was worse" is? I know it never worked with my parents - and it never worked for my kids. The fact is that BOTH of them behaved very badly.
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Where do you get that I even compared them? I didn't - I said there was disgust - and there was.
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Sat Dec-11-10 07:38 PM
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58. C'mon, guys -- let it go. Stay with the spirit of the OP. |
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Sat Dec-11-10 10:48 PM
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The evil is the cheating... not necessarily the leaving.
Sorry... not following your logic.
I made a cheating spouse LEAVE - I don't "do" sloppy seconds.
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Sun Dec-12-10 08:16 AM
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92. You don't quite have your information correct, however, |
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they obviously initiated a reconciliation in her last months and that is all. She had a much bigger heart than I would have, I think. And that, among thousands of other things, is what made her an extraordinary human being.
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Sat Dec-11-10 01:59 PM
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17. People will say what they will |
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and it won't amount to a hill o' beans. The only thing that matters is if they made their peace which they more than likely did. Nothing said by any holier than thou gossipers will ever change that.
I agree with your sentiment though if that counts for anything. I just understand people who live in glass houses cannot help but throw rocks. Human nature n all that.
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Sat Dec-11-10 02:03 PM
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18. I'm happy to honor her request. |
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But I never indulged in attacks on John Edwards in the first place. I've always felt terribly sad for the whole family, and that includes him.
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Sat Dec-11-10 02:44 PM
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19. I didn't realize they had traveled together to Japan... |
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When was that? What was the purpose? Elizabeth died with incredible dignity. It would be incredibly offensive to do less than she requests. I am sure John is grieving. Despite all that transpired one doesn't lose all feelings for someone they had loved and lived with so long.
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Sat Dec-11-10 02:58 PM
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20. I can tell that Elizabeth is a model for you, saracat. You show the same grace and peace. |
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Sat Dec-11-10 03:14 PM
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26. Edwards is no longer a Dem Politician, he is a private citizen |
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And I agree with the OP.
R.I.P. Elizabeth :cry:
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53. What?!? And practice what we preach?!?!? Where's the fun in that? |
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Great post. :thumbsup:
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Sat Dec-11-10 07:53 PM
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61. Subverting the topic at hand to satisfy petty grievances is tacky & rude. |
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Sat Dec-11-10 07:12 PM
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57. You win the thread, Scurry. Too bad it's not one worth winning! |
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59. Oh my. Couldn't you have let that go, considering the topic? |
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Sat Dec-11-10 08:33 PM
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65. That's not what she asked for. |
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Why would you even do this? It's like the kid that farts in the middle of the school play on purpose just because he thinks it's funny. It's not, it's just mean and stupid.
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Sat Dec-11-10 03:12 PM
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24. self deleted because I did not completely read the OP |
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25. I think she's just asking that people refrain from it today. |
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Sat Dec-11-10 03:21 PM
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30. I don't get that from the OP |
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I have no problem with it if it just for today, but as you said upthread, there have been no JRE attacks anywhere on DU anywhere.
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32. "Can we just for today , in tribute to a very great lady, pay tribute by honoring those wishes?" |
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36. You're correct - I had missed that very obvious statement |
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Thank you - I deleted my earlier statement, because even though it was not an attack, it was not in the spirit of the thread.
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Sat Dec-11-10 03:20 PM
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If we can't do this, we aren't the people we think we are.
Thank you Saracat.
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Sat Dec-11-10 03:37 PM
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37. What, exactly, did John do to deserve everybody's scorn? |
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Unless the people who scorn him have NEVER, EVER done ANYTHING at all wrong in their lives....
Of course since pretty much everybody in the world, with maybe the exception of Jesus Christ himself, has lied to someone, or cheated on someone, or has betrayed or shat upon somebody else, I don't understand where the hate is coming from.
He cheated on his wife. Big whoop.
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Sat Dec-11-10 03:40 PM
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39. let's not do this here. |
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trying to start a fight is not in the spirit of the thread.
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Sat Dec-11-10 08:23 PM
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63. AREYOU JOKING? A child with a mistress, both of whom he DENIED, is "big whoop" to you? It should be |
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your fate, to be cheated on. Add "while seriously ill." Then let's hear your "big whoop."
AND, BTW, by so doing he ruined AMERICA'S chance at having him be a champion for the poor and working class.
Just go back to whence you came.
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Sat Dec-11-10 10:51 PM
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Good Lord - that's the ULTIMATE form of betrayal, trust and love.
Big whoop? Glad I didn't marry you.
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93. That wasn't why so many here were furious |
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He continued his campaign while he was philandering. If he had won the nomination and then it had been discovered, it would have made the Clinton impeachment look like a day in the park. But he is no longer in politics so yeah, I think it's more than reasonable to let it go. Let him and the children grieve in peace.
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Sat Dec-11-10 03:44 PM
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RIP Elizabeth. You were a fine example.
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Sat Dec-11-10 04:08 PM
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42. You are just inviting more biting comments about the man with this post. |
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Seriously...you remind me of the people who were asking that nothing bad be written about Reagan during his funeral; that didn't work out so well, eh?
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Sat Dec-11-10 04:17 PM
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44. Funny thing, yours is one of the few biting comments that seemed to be "invited". |
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Most others said they will honor Elizabeth's request. Just sayin'.
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Sat Dec-11-10 04:19 PM
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45. ummm I didn't mention him |
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47. You didnt mention who? Who is "the man", David Hasselhoff? |
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:applause:
For this one, it is SOP.
Good to see you.... :hi:
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Sat Dec-11-10 04:10 PM
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Sat Dec-11-10 04:26 PM
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48. The decent thing is not to attack now |
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But that's far from a lifetime moratorium.
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Sat Dec-11-10 04:51 PM
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50. Are you kidding? A Democrat DUers can look down their nose at and claim morality? |
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a good person. something i am trying to learn in my life - to think of people for the good they do or try to do
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Sat Dec-11-10 05:11 PM
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55. I have a high respect |
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for Elizabeth Edwards, having to face cancer and then infidelity all in the public eye. She was the embodiment of grace, humility and compassion.
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Sat Dec-11-10 07:45 PM
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60. I've spoken both positively and negatively of the man. Today I offer only my condolences. |
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Now if Pickles had died, I'd be in rare form.
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Sat Dec-11-10 08:24 PM
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64. I am sure some will never do that |
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but for me... there was nothing to attack John over. It was their life and his decision. Our culture of moralism is part of the problem.
On and Elizabeth.. rest in peace...
To John... my sympathies, as well as the rest of the family.
It is your time to grieve.
Oh and Elizabeth thank you for what you did.
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Sat Dec-11-10 10:54 PM
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79. I, uh... don't think that was HER decision at all. |
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It was HIS life and HER life and he HURT her. Geez.
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82. Yes and still no place for you or I to get our noses into |
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Sat Dec-11-10 08:38 PM
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66. It was always about the ideas and the words for me. |
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Their ideas, and their words, spoke to me, and they still do.
Who speaks for the poor? Thank you Elizabeth and thank you John.
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Sat Dec-11-10 09:16 PM
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68. With all due respect to Elizabeth, no one ever talks about |
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John Edwards. He's pretty much off most people's radar to the point I would almost say he's been ostracized
by our country and the political community.
John Kerry sent a beautiful statement out on Elizabeth Kerry offering his condolences to her children.
The absences of any mention of John was loud and clear.
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69. Amen to that, and good for her! |
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Sat Dec-11-10 09:21 PM
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71. I have no problem with that. However...... |
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If John Edwards utters one cross word about Elizabeth, the gloves come off.
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I supported him during his campaigns, then turned 180 against him, but I shall honor this lady's dying request. If she can be that forgiving, why can't we.
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Sat Dec-11-10 10:45 PM
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75. While I could only hope to respect her wishes (are they hers? There is no link.), |
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I can only imagine her children growing up knowing that someone, somewhere thinks his actions are "OK."
Like Tiger Woods.
Like JFK.
I don't want women to be the second class to their powerful spouse. The spouse should be the No. 1, especially if children are involved... because they learn from their parents. And cheating is lying and hurtful and is never right.
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Sat Dec-11-10 11:07 PM
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80. k&r; thank you, saracat. |
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Sun Dec-12-10 01:13 AM
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Sun Dec-12-10 01:10 AM
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83. John did many good things, before he screwed up. |
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He was a huge advocate for the poor - worked with a poverty center. He sued powerful corporations and won. He was one candidate who I always felt would NEVER sell out and be a corporatist. He was of course pro-labor (remember the "son of a millworker" speech he so often gave) and was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth; just the opposite.
He was also very smart. I interviewed him once. I asked him if American needed a consumer bill of rights. Without missing a beat, he replied, "Yes" and then went on to warn that something must be done about predatory mortgage lending. This was long before the mortgage scandals broke.
i for one was deeply saddened when news of his infidelity broke; I felt we'd lost one of the best candidates we ever had who would be a true advocate for the poor and downtrodden.
I don't think he'll ever run for public office again (nor should he) but I do agree that the scandal should be laid to rest so that his children can live in peace. Give the man a chance to atone for his wrongs and be the father that Elizabeth would want him to be.
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Sun Dec-12-10 02:17 AM
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85. The best way to ensure no attacks, is for all to agree not to ever mention John Edwards again on DU |
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His political career is finished anyway. The best thing would be to forget him completely, and allow him to slide into anonymity.
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Sun Dec-12-10 02:24 AM
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How quickly a day can go.
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Sun Dec-12-10 02:43 AM
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87. K & R Very sad for the whole family and for us. She will be missed. nt |
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Sun Dec-12-10 04:23 AM
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88. I think he fooled her unto the end, only for his own purposes. |
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And I'm sure that will be apparent soon enough.
So screw him.
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Sun Dec-12-10 08:13 AM
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91. I had completely forgotten about John. |
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When he disappeared, he really disappeared. I forgot he even existed until he turned up at her memorial service (without participating). I remember when he was around (something about "two Americas"?), but now he is gone, with barely a trace left. At least for me.
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Sun Dec-12-10 11:23 PM
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Give up your hero worship...or lose the last of your credibility, as you suggested Bill Clinton was doing.
I've found the response here at DU about Elizabeth's passing to be very restrained, thoughtful, and dignified. We don't need you to preach to us about how to feel.
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Sun Dec-12-10 11:36 PM
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100. People who want privacy should not choose to live very public lives. n/t |
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