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Obama ditches the Tax Cut presser to go spend time with Michelle! |
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:27 PM
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1. He may be a man of the people, |
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But he is also a man, and a wise one.
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:33 PM
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9. I question the wisdom of leaving the room and leaving Bill Clinton in charge |
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As Xultar brought up in another thread, no offense against Clinton in this case. But, by leaving, Obama looks like he's not in charge, like he's desperate. I think we more or less have blood in the water now, and the sharks will circle, mostly from the right, but also from the left.
Personally, after the mid-terms, I kept waiting for Obama's big epiphany. It never came. I'm starting to think it's almost too late. I don't understand the president's actions, not at all. He doesn't act like someone who wants to be reelected, and on many occasions, he doesn't act like a Democrat.
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:34 PM
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13. Bullshit X 4 (at least) |
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:35 PM
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16. Yea really valid argument there. |
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:41 PM
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27. Un-bullshit X 6.02x10^23rd! |
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Um, or something like that.
Come on....throw another number at me. I'm ready for you!
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Sat Dec-11-10 05:37 AM
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73. He is desperate. He's not as clueless about the charade being over as his enablers are. n/t |
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:29 PM
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2. How long did you think about it before you hit the "post" button? |
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Edited on Fri Dec-10-10 05:31 PM by lamp_shade
This is a perfect example of what DU has become.
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:31 PM
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:35 PM
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17. Think about it, that is a pretty trivial complaint. |
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If you are as angry about this as your smilie indicates it is probably time to log off of DU and do something relaxing and fun.
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:29 PM
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3. He was late for the White House Staff Christmas Party. |
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Sat Dec-11-10 03:07 AM
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68. Gee, who scheduled that? |
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He shouldn't have been there in the first place; it made him look weak, like he'd run to Clinton for back-up.
But given that he *was* there, he shouldn't have left. It made it look like he didn't think it was important compared to a party.
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Sat Dec-11-10 05:39 AM
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74. Nice to see what his priorities are. Late for a party! How awful. n/t |
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:32 PM
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:45 PM
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35. this is beyond pitiful- |
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This place has gone bat-shit crazy.
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:32 PM
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6. Matt Drudge hearts you ... or the other way around. |
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He's serving up the exact same silly count-spin as you are. And links to the same video. Hmmm... Interesting.
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:34 PM
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11. Do not give a fuck about Drudge. Video is pretty transparent. |
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:36 PM
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20. You are the one who brought up his name anyway. |
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As I said, the video is pretty transparent.
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:42 PM
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28. Then you outta stop trying to spin it then, This is a lot of melodrama over something trivial |
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If you want to complain, find something more substantive to complain about.
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:45 PM
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:46 PM
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40. I never thought I would see so many trivial right wing smears dragged into DU... |
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and have them defended. Hell, now there's hardly even plausible deniablility. It's like some want this place to be a mirror of drudge's site and other rwnj cesspools.
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:51 PM
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46. This used to be the fact-based, analytical site |
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We left the conspiracy theories, excessive hyperbole, and willful misinterpretation for those other sites
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:38 PM
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23. Make "you're a secret Republican" accusations if it makes you feel better |
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but don't expect this to do any good. Don't you understand the simple concept "perception is reality". This was an incredibly weak move on Obama's part, and it WILL harm him, no matter how hard you wish that wasn't the case. I don't think that browbeating fellow Democrats will result in people magically coming around to your way of thinking. Your time might be better spent finding out why it is so many progressives are upset with Obama, rather than continuing in your suspicion that all DU'ers angry with Obama are secret Freepers.
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:50 PM
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44. I never made that accusation. |
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Edited on Fri Dec-10-10 05:52 PM by jefferson_dem
I only find it curious that the exact same arguments are being parroted.
Frankly, I'm not interested in trying to convince those who have already made up their mind, with flawed reasoning and imaginary evidence, that Obama *sucks*. I only wish these critics would be more sincere about their real motivations. ... is all.
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:52 PM
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50. Because the video is pretty transparent |
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and the message is very strong. If you can not see it or do not want to accept it is because of the strong bias you hold.
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:56 PM
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53. I think you need the fresh air more than I do |
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The video says it all. and your sorry way of trying to excuse it has been noted.
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:32 PM
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7. bill would love to be president again. |
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:38 PM
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It's not that I think President Clinton was perfect (think NAFTA), but things were pretty good during his presidency.
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:46 PM
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36. i agree. i would vote for him too. |
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the economy was great. hubby's company was giving bonuses that were $40 - $50,000 a year. they stopped around 2002. they brought them back, but now he's lucky if he gets $5,000.
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Fri Dec-10-10 06:40 PM
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60. After that display, I think Obama wants Clinton to be president again. I wouldn't mind a bit. nt |
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Fri Dec-10-10 06:44 PM
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61. I'd love to to have him again. I miss those days |
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Edited on Fri Dec-10-10 06:46 PM by lunamagica
There was good with the bad, now, it's just bad....
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:34 PM
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That's a pretty trivial point. |
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If you are really as angry about this as your smilies indicate, it might be time to log off DU and get some fresh air.
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:34 PM
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10. It was actually very wise of him to leave the podium to Clinton alone |
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And he does have his priorities (where his family is concerned) well defined!
I realize that this is "bash Obama season," almost more vicious from the Left than they have ever been from the Right. . . And I'm not happy with his last decision either. . .
But. . .don't go too far! First, you are being just as mean and unreal as the Right. . . Second, you are playing into the Republicans' hands!
Is that what we all want??? Could this be the way the Right reach their goals to "defeat Obama???"
Sorry, I don't want to give them any help!
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:34 PM
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12. I wouldn't leave my wife waiting either. |
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Even the president should think twice before standing up his wife.
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:35 PM
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15. The optics were just wrong |
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:35 PM
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18. It was actually very wise of him to leave the podium to Clinton |
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And he does have his priorities (where his family is concerned) well defined!
I realize that this is "bash Obama season," almost more vicious from the Left than they have ever been from the Right. . . And I'm not happy with his last decision either. . .
But. . .don't go too far! First, you are being just as mean and unreal as the Right. . . Second, you are playing into the Republicans' hands!
Is that what we all want??? Could this be the way the Right reach their goals to "defeat Obama???"
Sorry, I don't want to give them any help!
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:39 PM
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24. Or DU is really into over-blowing trivial matters. |
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:41 PM
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26. Taxes, jobs, homeless families, unemployment |
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yeah all over blown.... :eyes:
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:44 PM
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31. Unfortunately, we rarely see meaningful discussions here of these issues. |
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:45 PM
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32. But that's not what OP is talking about. |
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Those are substantive issues,
S/He is trying to make melodrama out of something meaningless and trivial
Think and read before you eye-roll
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:50 PM
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45. I am pointing out how Obama made an incredibly weak move |
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And your suggestions that I should go out and get some fresh air has been noted. :rofl:
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Sat Dec-11-10 03:15 AM
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69. Which is more important |
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Clinton or the first lady? :yoiks:
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Fri Dec-10-10 06:18 PM
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57. I'm not sure what you mean but think of it this way |
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Had W walked out of a press conference on something that is going to affect every single American he would have been eviscerated on DU as "not giving a shit". But whe Obama does it it's ok?
Thanks I'll keep my eye roll in place right where it belongs.
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:46 PM
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38. Obama's behavior is nonsensical. He folds with a winning hand, then calls in the Big Dog to put |
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lipstick on the pig. Then ducks out, leaving the Big Dog large and in charge.
LOSER optics on SO MANY LEVELS.
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:46 PM
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39. Self-delete. Double post. |
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Edited on Fri Dec-10-10 05:48 PM by chimpymustgo
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:37 PM
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21. WELL SHIT, everyone still wants Bill to be POTUS! |
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I'd left him there too! He is far better at handling journalist then I or I bet Obama. I want Bill Clinton back! Best dam years of my life!
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25. I'd back him in a minute. |
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Not if he backs this bill especially the pay roll tax holiday. I used to think I wanted him back but not after this.
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59. I wish it could happen |
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29. OMFG, this place is going over the falls in a barrel. n/t |
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:49 PM
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42. I feel like I've fallen down the rabbit hole. |
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and hit my head hard.
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Fri Dec-10-10 06:01 PM
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55. I'm thinking "alternative universe" |
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folks are outing themselves left and right, with no apparent concern for who notices.
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Sat Dec-11-10 04:54 AM
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72. Geeesh you're telling me |
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up is down, in is out ... it's all so bizarre! :yoiks: :crazy:
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:43 PM
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30. Wow, Obama had to go running to Bill Clinton |
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To try and help him sell this tax cut deal.
Will this be a new trend? Should Bill Clinton be waiting by the podium so he is always available in case Obama needs him to fill in?
This makes President Obama look incredibly weak, the excuses are pathetic too.
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54. Yep, Obama's off to date night. Let the Big Gun fill in. |
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I wonder if Clinton is going to give the State of the Union address next month?
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:51 PM
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47. Appropo of a retiring athlete... |
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Fri Dec-10-10 05:51 PM
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48. It's a pointless clip posted on Real Clear Politics, a rightwing site |
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67. RCP didn't stage or invent that clip |
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And you can bet it's going to get plenty of airtime.
The President handed off his tax plan for Clinton to defend and left for a party. Yeah, it is a BF deal.
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Fri Dec-10-10 06:30 PM
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58. that was a bizarre moment . . . one carefully scripted |
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perhaps WJC can lend some sanity to this
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Fri Dec-10-10 06:48 PM
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63. That was a little bizarre. |
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I love Bill (and Hillary), but Obama is the president. Just seemed kinda weird that he'd hand over the presser to Bill and leave. Looked kinda weak on his part...
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70. and not hand it over to Biden, which would have looked better, to me |
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I just watched the video. It is completely surreal to see Bill Clinton standing in front of the White House insignia, calling on reporters, having them call him Mr. President, and then hear them address policy questions to him like he's still in office. You can tell he loves every second of it, too, leaning over the podium like that.
The reporter asks something about loosening up credit markets, and what Clinton thinks can be done to help that along. It cuts off before Clinton can answer, but really--why are people asking Bill Clinton about what can be done? He's not the president! What can he do? What if he says something that Obama disagrees with? This is so weird.
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76. Very bizarre. Very weak. |
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Especially how...nonplussed the actual president seems to be about doing that. I can't ever recall a sitting president handing over the reins to a former one during a press conference. Ever.
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71. Don't know what would've been worse |
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standing there watching in awe as Bill took charge or what he did ... leaving Bill in charge like Bill was the prez. :crazy:
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