Fucking great. Nader is just suggesting that there will be a primary challenger to Obama AND..

it sounds like it will be NADER.

Here we go again.

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although I understand that the party can official reject a candidate even if that candidate files, at least at the state level.

Nor should he.

You people are consistent in one thing.

the national media, is the sort of person who got beat up by bullies on the playground. Grayson, on the other hand, does nto come across as a person who is easy totrivialize and mock.

And he doesn't get enough facetime in the media. Also too,(my little palin immitation) he's short, has big ears and reminds people of an elf. I find it endearing, but I think some people think things like fairies and elves are a little scary. I figure it's just them watching too many "Leprechaun" movies.

Grayson, is much better looking (and people do vote based on attractiveness- I think it's subconscious), but they do.:shrug:

would do badly in the national election. He was in a conservative state, and he was targeted by the RNC.

The more the merrier...maybe somebody with some backbone will rise to the challenge.

Still cannot defeat a republican fillubuster to allow tax increases on the wealthy....has nothing to do with backbone!

the problem with liberals is we cave every time we get threatened...if Pubes wanna filibuster, make them filibuster the old fashioned way...if they continue to dig in, let all the tax cuts expire.

it's REALITY! Obama is a realist and cut a deal that will at least create some jobs, keep middle class people from going into poverty and not giving the lowest tax bracket a 50% increase in their taxes....NO MATTER WHAT OBAMA OR ANY DEM PRESIDENT WOULD DO THEY WOULD BE FACING A FILLUBUSTER and that's why there was no fight to be had....you can only fight when there is something to fight.

Go to LOC or senate.gov assuming Operation Payback hasn't taken them down, and look for every "Motion to Proceed" or "Cloture Motion" that failed. That was a filibuster. There's nothing "fake" about it.

:shrug: I can see him running against him in 2012, but not in the primary.

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He did say that that there needed to be a primary challenge.

have a primary challenger from the left. If for no other reason to expose how far from the left Obama actually is.

voted for.

beating Obama. But, it can push him , and the Democratic Party to the left, where it should be.

that would be the tipping point . That could just be my current anger talking but I can't see Obama ever coming back and leading this party back to its FDR roots. He has more or less admitted he doesn't share our values and isn't willing to fight for principles.

Start a Nader bashing thread in an attempt to distract people from Obama's anti-progressive actions. That'll work. :sarcasm:

I'm amazed at the people who think DU is their own private twitter account.

Sorry I left out the reference to what I was talking about.

Now I will twitter over to the twitter account that I do not have!

no need to spend money that I don't actually can't afford and no need to vote anymore.

But this talk started in all seriousness four days ago... and not from Nader

DU'ers that are willing to support Mr. Nader.

:eyes:

A hell of a lot more than Obama ever did. Good things, I mean.

Including the Freedom of Information Act. The list is pretty astonishing. He was a very effective consumer advocate. I read a biography of him once, I was shocked by his early career. You would never know anything about it from the mainstream media. I think Chris Hedges wrote a piece on how the New York Times basically set out to make him ineffective in the late 70s and essentially did so.

A hell of a lot more than Obama ever did. Good things, I mean.

...they'll certainly have my primary vote.

I do want a primary challenger. What I would like more is for Obama to withdraw his name from consideration as a nominee just like LBJ did.

Obama has no respect for a good portion of his party, he admits it. So why should he remain our representative? He burned too many bridges with this "STUNT" imho. He can run as the Republican nominee.

I know the convential wisdom is we can't win with a primary challenger, but IMHO we won't win with Obama anyway. Again JMHO.

But I guess we'll get to watch folks try to push it again next election. The result, however, will be the same.

:shrug:

I believed he could win and that he could change things. I did not vote for him in the primaries true, but once he was the nominee I got on board, donated, and cheered for him as hard as anyone else. I was proud of him and proud he was our nominee. I cried tears of relief that he was in charge and planning on ending 8 insufferable years of Bush policies. I hung my flag out on the porch and sang Happy Days Are Here Again and America the Beautiful the day after the election.

Now that he IMHO is the one who has changed to fit Washington instead of changing Washingtion as he promised, however, and sided more with the Repulicans than he has with Democrats, I don't think it will be so easy for him. He has a record to run on now and that record IMHO will be the difference this time. Its what I am basing my opinion on but it's just my opinion. I am not asking you or anyone else to agree.

If as you believe he can win no matter what then he and those who still support him have nothing to fear from a primary challenger either then right?

It doesn't matter whether you said he couldn't win back then or not. It was pushed here on a daily basis then and it's being tried again now. It's was laughable and transparent then and it's laughable now.

Your if then logic won't work on me. There is no fear here. Only disappointment in the fact that people would rather see the party go down in flames to spite their face.

Have a great day :) :hug:

period.

have to look forward to every four years :rofl:


I met Nader by the way in Crawford TX at an anti-war rally...What a fucking tool FYI

of the tax cuts deal Obama was now guaranteed a primary challenger. He doesn't seem to implying it would be him, particularly since he said "Just a question of how prominent a person . This deal is the last straw."

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/12/09-6

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

He's a Dem through and through, he speaks for the 98%ers, whether they realize it or not.

All I see thrown against him are baseless canards about his height, that he says he saw what he called a UFO, or that he's anti-abortion and gay rights when he is not.

Having a tall, good looking President sure hasn't turned out to be the answer for people so far.

This Nader obsession is bizarre. If you don't like him, don't vote for him.

Sid

thanks for lightening the mood. :rofl: