There is no ways on earth that the House bill will pass the Senate

They'll strip anything remotely related to a a public option. They'll add onerous shit and it'll be even worse than it is now.

That's just reality, folks.

...for SINGLE PAYER! Which will SAIL through Congress!

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At least that is what Rockefeller, Harking and others have indicated

But yeah it is going to be difficult.

you've proved correct so many times in the past
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Thank god you are not the sole determiner of reality.
Obama wouldn't even be the President if you were.

have said that they'll filibuster any legislation with a public option. And the fact that the Senate is more conservative than the house.

I do live in realville, honey. And sorry, but I predicted that Obama would win before Iowa.

And Reid is hardly a strong leader. It has zip all to do with thinking highly of him.

I can state that very few pieces of legislation go through the Senate without changes. I can further add that the Senate is a more conservative body than the house and that it is relatively easy for the opposition to derail legislation they don't want.

Then both Bills will be combined in Conference.

I think you will be pleasantly surprised at what we get.

actually does some good and helps people get decent insurance at affordable rates, subsidies that work and real regulation.

You know how much easier it is to expand existing programs than it is to pass perfect ones.

I normally don't say this,
but listen to the Repukes.

They know where this is eventually heading, and they are frightened and supremely pissed about it.

passed their bill, 39 Democrats against. I'm seriously doubtful that a second watered down bill will fly there.

There will be no problems passing the Bill that comes out of Conference.

But cloture will be achieved.

that it's relatively easy for the opposition to derail legislation. It's real that legislation from the House is often very different from what passes in the Senate. That's all real.

"They'll strip anything remotely related to a a public option. They'll add onerous shit and it'll be even worse than it is now." That is your opinion. And THAT'S reality.

Any attempted Filibuster will fail.

Then why is the public option even on the table in the Senate?

I challenge you to actually stick around and debate this one.

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Lieberman tells lies all the time. Why are you taking him at face value. Posturing is also part of politics.

it was also clear, until last night, that zero Republicans would vote for the bill in the house.

who represents a district that he has very little chance of being re-elected in no matter how he votes, but particularly if he votes with the pukes.

when she didn't even have to. Don't count all your chickens until they have hatched. Nobody was counting on either of those votes, but they happened anyways, and they are both very very important votes.

support anything remotely resembling a public option.

triggered public option (which you and I agree is stupid, but it is nonetheless tacit support for a public option). The point I am trying to make -- is that the maneuverings and posturings of this make it very difficult to read the tea leaves. I understand, but only somewhat agree that the Senate is more conservative than the house. It isn't as black and white as you suggest. The Senate, for example, is not nearly as hung up on abortion as the House. The Senate Finance Committee -- sure, you win that argument -- except that's where we got our one R vote.

President Obama has insisted on it, that he will sign something that essentially forces millions of uninsured to buy the health insurance industry's crappy product? I think this could work in a strange way, if there were more regulation slapped on them besides the no pre-existing conditions clause. We need to demand that they can only ask for $100 deductible and the usual 20% co-pay. There can be no caps. They must all charge the same agreed to premium across the board and regardless of age. Sure let them charge for extras, but the basic policy has to be the same like those regulated medi-gap policies for seniors. Oh, yes and they have to be non-profit. Actually, that's the way health insurance had to operate before they were de-regulated. At least back then a group plan through your employer was affordable to the employer and it had actual coverage.

blank...blank I tell ya...with nothing on it except the Stupak bill.


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Do you understand the process of passing legislation through the Congress?

instead of concentrating by joining forces with others who are determined to see it passed.

I didn't think that George Bush was going to become President in December of 2000,
but then I saw how active the other side got to make it so.....

Perhaps we are the ones that we are waiting for, and we are fucking late.....
but not too late.

I'll it in the same folder as secret santa messages & unsourced articles. Because I find your post just as unhelpful to the discussion.

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But speak out against the war, or speak in favour of universal health care, and they all get brave and attack you.

Does the word appeasement ring a bell?

not decided what to do with him and is stuck with him.

put women's rights on the table as a bargaining chip. Anything else will be a bonus for them.

They know exactly who they needed to buy to get mandates and no government run option.
I think there will need to be major conncessions to pass anything. If that is the case the first thing dumped needs to be mandates.

on that final bill, pleasing both houses of congress. And we wonder why we never got health care reform before. It is a long road ahead and we won't know what is in the final bill until it is done.

I didn't see the other dozen threads that said this!