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Sat Nov-07-09 11:39 AM
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| *** House Debate on Health Care Bill *** thread 2 |
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:41 AM
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| 1. They are bringing out their props. nt |
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:42 AM
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| ooo Do we get charts & graphs?. .n/t |
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:42 AM
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| 2. The requests for unanimous consent are done! |
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:42 AM
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| 5. Hopefully they've run out of steam |
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:03 PM
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| 54. Have you ever heard of a Republican running out of steam???? |
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Mark my words this will get much nastier the closer it comes to a vote....
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:42 AM
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| 3. what a douche. The rep holding the bill and saying the dems should read it.. I bet he didn't even .. |
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:45 AM
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| 9. While picking it up, he said he hopes he doesn't get a hernia from lifting the bill! |
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As if he was forced to picked it up. :rofl:
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:46 AM
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| 11. Sounds like a pre-existing condition ! n/t |
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Sat Nov-07-09 02:08 PM
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:06 PM
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| 25. Then he slams it on the table like a 2 year old? |
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Yeah, that a guy I would want rep'ing me in Congress ~~ not!
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:34 PM
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| 69. Bohner held up the constitution the other day saying he was going to read from it |
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Then quoted the declaration of indipendabce instead. So them reading it is no guarentee any of it sunk in. In fact it probably indicates the oposite.
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:42 AM
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| 4. Watching these Republicans is like watching professional wrestling |
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I can only stand about 3 minutes of either
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:43 AM
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| 6. I agree. Finally it is done. Now we can move on. |
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:43 AM
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| 7. I wonder how the whip is doing?. . . n/t |
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:46 AM
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| 12. Obama is supposed to be on the hill right now |
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I think they said he'd be there at about 11:30. So hopefully he's doing some whip work right now.
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:43 AM
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History is what we will be discussing here today.
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:45 AM
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:48 AM
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| 13. Louise Slaughter is making a good opening statement. . n/t |
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:49 AM
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| 14. Yes she is with thoughtfulness and strength. |
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:49 AM
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| 15. awesome, a stop government run healthcare banner over DU |
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:50 AM
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| 16. (buy a star..It'll go away) |
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:53 AM
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| 17. He's charging the repugs time for each one...It's all in the language. .n/t |
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:54 AM
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| 18. Did he just say "job keeping"? |
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:56 AM
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He had the script but he screwed it up.
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:57 AM
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| 20. tsk. .not ready for primetime. . n/t |
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Sat Nov-07-09 11:58 AM
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:04 PM
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| 22. The repugs keep calling it "job killing". .they must think they've |
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finally found a "winning frame". .kind of late in the game, isn't it?
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:05 PM
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:09 PM
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| 27. R's are cynically exploiting Americans' concern for economy. Health is one sector that's growing! |
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:06 PM
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| 24. Ms Matsui (D-Ca) on the floor. |
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:09 PM
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| 26. BREAKING: Stupak amendment has the votes to pass. |
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BREAKING: Stupak amendment has the votes to pass. Cantor, Pence, Boehner have confirmed they will vote 'aye' http://twitter.com/wonkroom |
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:10 PM
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:12 PM
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| 29. Totally expected. Whatever happened to the separation of church and state! |
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The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops have given their blessing to the House bill--but only if Stupak's amendment passes!
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:16 PM
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| 33. I suspect (read: hope) the anti-choice Amendment will be stripped once the bills gets to conference. |
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That's what Schakowsky seemed to indicate earlier today at least.
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:20 PM
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| 35. Hope springs eternal! |
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:15 PM
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The anti-choice amendment's an abomination, but hopefully it'll die, if not today, then maybe in conference committee.
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:13 PM
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| So they have enough Dems. to get the 218 to pass it? |
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:13 PM
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| 31. Why do they want to amend a bill that is Freedom-Killing, Job-Destroying? |
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Logically it doesn't make sense.
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:16 PM
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| 32. They want to make the final bill as good for them as they can. They're still going to vote against |
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:18 PM
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| 34. Yeah I know, Makes them hypocritical jerks in my book. |
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But I guess I had already figured that out.
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:12 PM
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| 30. There is very little question who's on the side of the Angels here. |
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Every speaker reinforces that fact.
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:24 PM
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| 36. Finally Mary Jo Kilroy taking on the Job Killing meme. |
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:26 PM
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| 37. quick peek on CNN. Obama has just finished meeting with House Dems |
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Clyburn says "we are on the cusp of making an historic decision on the behalf of the American people"
Pelosi says: "It will be maifested today" "we will passs health care reform"
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:27 PM
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| 38. Man wielding the gavel sounds like W.C. Fields |
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It's almost comical. Anyone know who that is?
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:29 PM
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| 39. Well he certainly commands attention!. . n/t |
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:00 PM
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| 53. The distinguished John Dingell (D) MI, Dean of the House. |
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First elected in 1955, fighting for health care reform for decades
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:30 PM
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| 40. Now they are lying about the stimulus. |
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:05 PM
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| 55. The LIE about everything.....after all they need to keep |
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:30 PM
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| 41. dems reserve balance of time...think I'll hit the mute button for a while! nt |
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:33 PM
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| 42. Yep I have the liars on mute too until the Dems come back. |
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:34 PM
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| 43. "2,000 page, 4,000 word document." ..So.. it has two words per page? Nice job repub. |
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:36 PM
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| 44. The repugs sure are flailing around there arne't they? Just |
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throwing everything against the wall.
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:37 PM
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| 45. just gotta say....the repubs are sooo full of shit! nt |
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:40 PM
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| 46. Dingell is using the same gavel that he used in 1965 for the Medicare debate |
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:42 PM
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| 47. The presser with Pelosi after Pres Obama's meeting with Dems looks good. |
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She intimated that today the bill will pass.
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:48 PM
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| 51. Very good vibes...they were sending off. |
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:43 PM
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| 48. has Grayson spoken yet, or do we know if he will? |
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:46 PM
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| 49. I hope so. I sure like to watch him speak. .n/t |
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:48 PM
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Sat Nov-07-09 12:51 PM
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| 52. Here comes Stupak.. (Theocrat, Michigan). . n/t |
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:09 PM
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| 56. House Dems spontaneously chanted "fired up, ready to go" as POTUS left caucus meeting |
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RT @ThePlumLineGS: House Dems spontaneously chanted "fired up, ready to go" as POTUS left caucus meeting, Bill Burton sez
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:12 PM
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| 58. Luke Russert said he heard from many in the meeting that it was Obama's best speech yet. If only we |
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could've heard that one. Apparently it wasn't about policy at all, but rather focused on party unity and forging ahead as a cohesive group toward success.
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:10 PM
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| 57. What are they voting on now -- ordering the previous question? I don't understand |
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So if anyone can explain it to me -- slowly -- I would appreciate it. :)
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:18 PM
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1:01 P.M. - On ordering the previous question Roll Call 881 - Recorded vote pending. http://twitter.com/HouseFloor |
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:19 PM
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| 61. So why aren't more dems voting yea? |
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:25 PM
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They have their 218, so no problem on this procedural vote.
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:26 PM
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| 66. Cool - was getting nervous :) |
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I'm on edge today with something so important up for vote later in the day
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:25 PM
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| 65. I see 246 to 10 dems on this one. And of course all Repubs saying NAY! |
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:28 PM
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| 67. I need to be more patient! |
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Did you see the 1 repug vote for yea that kept appearing and disappearing? I wonder if one of the other repug congressmen was taking the voting device from him and pressed nay? :)
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:25 PM
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:24 PM
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| 62. 10 dem nays on procedural motion to start debate 3 no votes |
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who are these crazy dems?
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:32 PM
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| 68. WHAT would happen if??.... |
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Things go far better than expected and the bill passes with even more votes than expected. Say just 20 dems vote against it instead of 30-35 and it's not even close in the end. 238-197 say. Would that matter if it's easy passage? President Obama could possibly have unified the caucus to get there earlier this morning. Who knows..
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:41 PM
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| 70. So many confused people.. They have been lied to so often that |
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they have NO IDEA what's true & what's false.
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:42 PM
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| 71. I know listening to CSPAN can be sad. |
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:43 PM
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| 73. I turned on CSPAN for about five mins and couldn't handle it anymore. The false information |
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that many callers were spewing was just mind blowing. These people truly are brainwashed by their AM radio overlords.
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:44 PM
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| 76. *runs around in panic* |
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a yes to the bill is a yes to dismantling the constitution as we know it AAAAAAHHHH
*shakes his head* how i would have loved the ability to understand how some people tick
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:42 PM
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| 72. House Vote on "Proceeding to Debate" not close. Dems - 242 yes, 15 no (so far). |
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Excellent news for REFORM!
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:44 PM
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| 75. So here comes four hours of debate. There should be some batshit on steroids on display |
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very soon from the party of NO.
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:43 PM
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| 74. These RW callers on C-Span are saying they're against this bill because nobody READ it... |
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and it takes away their freedoms. Someone just said, "A 'yes' to this is a 'yes' to end the Constitution as we know it." If they haven't read the bill, how do they know? They keep spouting Glenn Beck talking points.
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:46 PM
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| 78. I was laughing at one of those callers. Wish someone would ask him when he read it to know how |
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absolutely terrible, horrible, no good, and disastrous this bill is. HAHAHA. Just pure regurgitation of putrid bile.
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:49 PM
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| 80. I can't wait to hear the Repubs. whine after it's passed! |
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It'll be a beautiful thing.
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:51 PM
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| 83. While they whine, I'll wine. ;) |
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:47 PM
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| 79. I just started laughing when I heard that. Anyone can read the bill and as pointed out the bill is |
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on CSPAN's website. Then again it fits in with the lazy attitude for information that Republicans seem to like to cultivate.
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:50 PM
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| 82. They don't WANT to read the bill. They just want to see Obama fail. |
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They keep repeating the RW talking points. They have no idea what they're talking about.
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:45 PM
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| 77. Stenny giving official kudos to Dingall. . VERY nice. . n/t |
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:49 PM
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| 81. Yay, a chart. That explains everything, thank you rethug. N/t |
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:55 PM
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| 84. The Repubs.: "They want to ram this through! Why the rush? They need to slow down so we can work |
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on this TOGETHER and pass a bill the American people WANT." Yeah, right!
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:56 PM
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| 86. yeah.. slow, like the b*sh tax cuts for millionaires . . n/t |
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Sat Nov-07-09 02:04 PM
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| 90. I don't even know why they pretend they want to work with the Dems., if ONLY they |
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worked slower, when the day before the same Repubs. were outside with the teabaggers talking about killing the bill.
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Sat Nov-07-09 02:08 PM
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| 92. It just sounds good and nobody calls them on it. |
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Sat Nov-07-09 02:11 PM
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| 95. True. That darn liberal media. |
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Sat Nov-07-09 01:55 PM
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| 85. I wonder which super asshat puke was the only one to vote against marking 20th anniv. of the end |
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of the Cold War? Unreal. Stay classy party of NO.
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Sat Nov-07-09 02:00 PM
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| 87. Here we go. Get your debate on. 4 hour countdown begins now. |
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Sat Nov-07-09 02:04 PM
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| 89. Anyone want to take odds on how long "4 hours" takes?. n/t |
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Sat Nov-07-09 02:05 PM
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| 91. How exactly do they milk more time out of this with the sanctioned times for each side? |
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Sat Nov-07-09 02:10 PM
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| 94. Just because the rules of debate say that there will be four hours |
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of debate once the rule has been approved, don't presume that there will be exactly four hours. Repubs may try some parliamentary moves as a show of protest, and there's also the House version of a filibuster.
The top floor leaders - Pelosi, Steny, and Boner have special dispensation to speak as long as they want without cutting into the overall debate time. Last June, when the House was about to pass a climate change bill with little GOP support, Boner read long passages from the text of the bill. He went on for more than an hour.
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Sat Nov-07-09 02:16 PM
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| 101. Thanks. So Boner may just stand there for hours, literally, and just read. Pathetic. |
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Sat Nov-07-09 02:03 PM
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| 88. Steny up first.. I don't always likethis dude... but he sounds good here. . n/t |
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| 96. Should I open a new thread? |
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This final phase will go on for a few hours.
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| 99. Joe Barton complained that he had to be in D.C. this |
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weekend. He had planned to be in Vegas.
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| 102. Whine whine whine whine. |
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