Jesus Christ!!!!! Now the Dem's are talking about 2010 for a health care bill

I agree with one thing Big Ed has been saying and that is the party is going to BLOW!!! this health care passage. WTF!!!!!!

..if they totally scrapped the current piece of shit bills and started over with HR 676, or at the very least, the Howard Dean version of the actual public option.

The "reform" (or rather, deform) doesn't kick in until 2013 anyway, so i'm not sure how significant this current delay is.

My personal preference would be to abort this travesty of a reform now, and start over with HR 676.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=8730692

Why the MSM is continuing to promote this story IN SPITE of Reid shooting them down is beyond me.

think outside the box and do some investigating as of late.

... and NOT about the Democratic losses in NJ and VA. Asked him to talk about how the voters of upstate NY delivered the electoral smack down to conservative Republican ideology. (crossing my fingers!)

The shit that's ignored in the MSM and even on DU is astounding.

I know in Dec my insurance will go up and I will probably join the ranks of the uninsured....I am not even sure I understand how any of the proposed bills are going to bring my rates down...or if they are supposed to...This has been one big mess...ahh ..i just can't watch anymore.

we will either not get anything passed with a public option or we will get reform in name only, so that it looks like a win for the president. I don't see Reid being able to convince the moderate Dem's to go along with this now. They will be to concerned about being to closely associated with the President.
However, if Pres. Obama's economic recovery moves along quickly and creates much needed jobs, this will give our party a big boost and we will be able to accomplish something. But, right now, I am pessimistic about getting anything passed because the Repubs think they have hit on a winning strategy-obstruction,fear and delay - and moderate Dem's will not sign their name to anything progressive fearful of the independent and conservative voters. Sadly, we progressive Dem's mean little to these people.

after the economy completely tanked during the 2008 elections.

Get the economy going first (and don't pick folks like Geithner and Summers who are beholden to some of the perpetrators), then go for programs that are seen as costing $$$ (whether Obama says otherwise or not).

Folks don't support big programs when there's nothing in their wallet or their relatives' and friends' wallets.

I guess you didn't see that Job Losses dropped for the 7th month in a row.

Newsflash: Obama has gotten the Economy going again.

in Red Districts?

one which hasn't been Democrat since 1852?

Yeah, that should really frighten Blue Dogs...

will be proclaiming his greatness once again. :crazy:

jmo.

You've been here longer than me. Maybe you've posted something constructive, but I can't remember it.

I hope the mid-terms go well...


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That way the religious reich nutjobs can REALLY go crazy.


AAAAAAGH !!!111!1 ANTICHRIST HEALTH CARE !!111!!!111!

How many seats can be picked up in 2010 from Republicans?

Well, you just need to get all of those seats and you might have enough votes for a relatively strong public option .... or maybe not.

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Annex Puerto Rico and Guam right now!

...Kidding...

I mean, Jesus Christ! JESUS FUCKING MOTHER GODDAMN CHRIST!

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