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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 07:23 PM
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Obama met with Progressive, Black, Hispanic and Asian-Pacific American caucuses on health care

Path clears for House to OK compromise health bill

By ERICA WERNER, Associated Press Writer Erica Werner

WASHINGTON – They may not like it, but many House liberals look ready to accept a compromise health care bill, putting Democratic leaders well on the way to delivering on President Barack Obama's call for overhaul.

After claiming for months they couldn't vote for a bill without the strongest possible government-run insurance option, liberals are putting aside their disappointment over the weaker version in the legislation for a historic chance to remake America's medical system.

"The current language is far weaker than what I would have preferred, and I think that is also true of the Progressive Caucus," Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo., a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, said Friday. "But because I did not come up here to participate in gridlock and acrimony, I have told leadership that I am willing to compromise."

Obama privately told House liberals they should chalk up a win.

Leaders from the Progressive, Black, Hispanic and Asian-Pacific American caucuses met at the White House Thursday evening with Obama, who listened to their concerns and praised their efforts.

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 07:27 PM
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1. aim low and settle for even less. well, it worked this time nt
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 07:46 PM
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11. Already this is way better than the Congressional and PR disaster that was Hillarycare, eh?
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 07:48 PM by ClarkUSA


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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 07:30 PM
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2. I'm so fucking sick of Obama's condescension towards liberals.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 07:32 PM
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3. Obama's condescension?
You mean you're pissed because he met with them and thanked them for their efforts?

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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 07:39 PM
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6. He told them what to think, as if they can't think for themselves.
That's condescending.

"He looked at us and he said, 'You guys ought to be walking around like you won because you brought back the public option,'" said Rep. Mike Honda, D-Calif.


Most of the liberals I know are not happy about how this bill is turning out, and I am more than a little irritated that I'm being told to smile and be happy about this turd that may soon become law.

And it's condescending to tell me I should be happy about it.

:dem:

-Laelth
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 07:49 PM
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13. "He told them what to think" What utter nonsense.
Crediting them with bringing back the public option is called a compliment.

By your logic, telling someone they should be proud of their accomplishment is condescending.

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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:17 PM
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29. " Obama privately told House liberals they should chalk up a win."
Bullshit. It's not a win for liberals.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 07:33 PM
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4. I bet you are.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 07:41 PM
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7. I agree with the first four words of your statement, at least.
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 08:04 PM by ClarkUSA
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 07:36 PM
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5. No, no, no! Don't sell us out, Progressives! Please!
This is in response to Pelosi's laughing at the idea that the Progressive Caucus would actually stick to its guns on this issue:

"I hate to say the speaker was right, but in retrospect I guess the progressives are going to be the good soldiers on this one, one more time," said Rep. Raul Grijalva, D-Ariz., a co-chair of the Progressive Caucus.

Grijalva said progressives weren't giving up and would push to offer their preferred public insurance option as an amendment. But House leaders have indicated they won't be allowing amendments to the bill.


:banghead:

:dem:

-Laelth
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 07:42 PM
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8. oooh look at all the ignoreds...
anyway, good news, Pro
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 07:46 PM
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10. You Lucky
Dawg! I could have done without that ignorant whinefest.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 07:57 PM
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16. Oh honey, life's way too short to be around that bullshit
Obama may be able to take it (and I'm glad he is)...but I'm not.
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 07:45 PM
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9. were these groups actually saying a "STRONG" public option,
or just a "public option" was their requirement for supporting a bill?
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:52 PM
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44. For months the Progressive Caucus insisted that a "robust" PO must be in the bill.
For the longest time, they wouldn't explain what they meant by that. In the past few days, they pushed for Medicare +5% rates of repayment, and presumably that was their final line in the sand, but it too did not survive.

Personally, I wish they had pushed for a "big" public option, meaning one that's projected to cover 50+ million Americans within the next 5 years. This puny 6 million member PO that's featured in the current version of the House bill is worse than useless. It won't be big enough to actually compete with major health insurers and drive down the costs of health insurance (and that was the whole point of the PO in the first place).

:dem:

-Laelth
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 07:46 PM
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12. Yep -- the ConservaDems and Corporate Dems are more important than liberals
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 07:46 PM by Armstead
I doubt Obama will be telling them to suck it in, accept defeat as victory and that they should be "good soldiers."

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 07:51 PM
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15. You're basically saying progressives caved.
If blue dogs had their way, there would be no public option in the bill. Still, if that's the spin you want to go with fine.

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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 07:59 PM
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17. Progressives fought -- but they had no back-up from Obama
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 08:00 PM by Armstead
Therefore leftv them twisting in the wind.

Progressives could have had the upper hand if Obama had not decided to cut their legs out from the beginning ofgthe process.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:05 PM
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19. How do you know that, and why are they now supporting this bill?
Bills need votes to pass, and it appears they fought to preserve a public option, them tried to put a stronger measure in place and simply came up short. They are dealing with reality.



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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:20 PM
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32. They did cave. But Obama is telling them they can pretend that they won.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:25 PM
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35. Or maybe they are not prone to grandstanding when there is progress to be made. n/t
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bunnysoft Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 07:49 PM
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14. Did he make secret deals with these groups too?
Or only with Big Phrma?
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:04 PM
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18. Well, he didn't write legislation in secret w/o consulting Congress like Hillary did in the 90's...
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 08:13 PM by ClarkUSA
I'm happy that this administration (unlike past ones) understands that Congress is a co-equal branch of government and
is treating its leaders and members with respect to writing legislation.


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bunnysoft Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:05 PM
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20. Huh? Who's talking about Hillary?
Wow. The primaries go on.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:10 PM
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22. I am... because it's relevant. Who's talking about "secret deals" and big Pharma?
Don't you have another anti-Obama or pro-Hillary OP to post? Or are you taking a break right now?


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bunnysoft Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:12 PM
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23. It's relevant to health care to talk about the different groups that Obama meets with
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 08:13 PM by bunnysoft
Obama met with A and B. Those are topics relevant to the health care discussion. It is relevant to inquire about the similarities and differences between both relationships.

Not the Secretary of State.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:13 PM
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24. Oh the irony.
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bunnysoft Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:15 PM
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26. That makes no sense, since I asked what Hillary had to do with health care
yet you for some reason link to a stand-alone thread about Hillary and Biden, two of the front-runners for the VP job.

A lot of apples and oranges and strawmen today.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:15 PM
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27. I guess that answers question #25.
:rofl:
:rofl:
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bunnysoft Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:21 PM
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33. I never said Hillary isn't relevant to health care
I asked who was talking about her, after I read a question that dodged my inquiry about a possible deal with the groups in question.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:28 PM
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37. I think you were just talking about she should have been VP after all weren't you?
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 08:28 PM by JTFrog
:shrug:
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bunnysoft Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:29 PM
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39. "maybe"
It's not right to eliminate a qualifier in order to make one's case stronger.

I said,"maybe."
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:30 PM
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40. meow
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 11:00 PM
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46. Wasn't there a poster named snowdreams or snowdays or something that seems eerily familiar
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 11:08 PM by Number23
to this poster? S/he was all Hillary, all the time too until they got the big granite cookie.

ETA: It was snowdays - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=240013
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:14 PM
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25. You do realize Hillary's relevance to the health care discussion don't you?
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bunnysoft Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:17 PM
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30. I asked if Obama made a deal with grop A. I didn't ask whether Hillary made deals with group X
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 08:18 PM by bunnysoft
Don't you like people to answer your questions when you ask one?
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:27 PM
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36. Your "question" was not serious but rather a vehicle to express your obvious anti-Obama feelings.
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 08:30 PM by ClarkUSA
Nonetheless, I chose to compare and contrast historical examples of HCR "secret deals".

Obviously, those who look at polls and make wishful extrapolations of who should've been chosen as VP may not grasp the logic of that.



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bunnysoft Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:33 PM
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41. You like to compare and contrast, as long as the deal with the Pharma. industry goes unmentioned
How convenient ;)
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:50 PM
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43. Meow.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:16 PM
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28. It's also relevant to speak of the secrecy that plagued the HCR efforts of past administrations...
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 08:18 PM by ClarkUSA
I'm glad that President Obama is avoiding the mistakes of the past, aren't you?



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bunnysoft Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:19 PM
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31. But was it relevant in regard to my question?
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 08:19 PM by bunnysoft
I'm still baffled as to how it answered it.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:22 PM
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34. You mean the question that was full of anti-Obama snark?
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 08:22 PM by ClarkUSA
You're transparent as hell, you know.


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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:28 PM
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38. lot's of 'dead' back for halloween. n/t
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:34 PM
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42. Yup.. it's "Night of the Living Dead" around here.
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 08:36 PM by ClarkUSA
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 08:10 PM
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21. Thanks. I was looking for a read out on what happened yesterday. NT
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 10:51 PM
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45. WOW
Obama actually met with Progressives.
I guess that is something.
Up til now, The Progressive Caucus has been reduced to writing letter to communicate with the White House.

Chalk this up as a WIN?
Yeah, right....whatever.
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