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Gothmog

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50. The benefit of the Democrats denouncing Sanders's selfishness
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:14 PM
Apr 2020

I am tired of sanders and his supporters demanding that we bend a knee and anoint sanders as the nominee. It may be better to simply give up on the 15% who will not vote for any real Democrat and move on




If you are in the search for silver linings, one benefit of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) pointlessly continuing his losing campaign is the freedom for Democrats to denounce him and his anti-party escapades. After years of humoring him, the vast majority of Democrats, from super-progressives to moderates, can now say out loud what they’ve said quietly: It has always been about Bernie. It’s not a movement, but rather a vanity project. ....

The problem, according to many Democrats, remains that 15 percent of Sanders supporters say in polling that they would vote for President Trump over Biden. This nugget actually makes the opposite argument: There is nothing that would satisfy some faction of the Sanders coalition that would rather blow up our democracy and reelect Trump. With people so irrational, the best response is to ignore them. They, like the MAGA-hat crowd, are unreachable and cannot be bargained with (e.g., more New Green Deal talk!). So do not try. No more outreach to Sanders, no more promised policy modifications, no more speaking slot at the convention. Enough

This would have some salutary effects.

First, it would make perfectly clear that Biden is not Sanders and not a crazy left-winger, as Trump would like to paint him in the campaign. Biden makes a sharp distinction between the “democratic socialist” crowd and his own brand of center-left politics. Since he cannot get the 15 percent of “Bernie or Bust” Democrats (or independents), he might as well make a strong play for moderate independents and disaffected Republicans. Cutting Sanders off effectively allows Biden to pitch to gettable swing voters, not waste time on unattainable Bernie Bros.

Second, freezing out Sanders will make governance in a Biden administration much easier and more cohesive. There will be no debt to be paid to Sanders, no advisers taken on to satisfy Sanders, and no weird and distracting policy initiatives to lead the new administration astray. This would be a center-left administration confident of its own governing agenda — and personally cohesive.

Third, it would free up constructive, smart progressive leaders such as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) to lead that wing of the party. She has already begun that process, contributing bankruptcy and student loan forgiveness plans to the Biden campaign. With a practical, crafty progressive in the Senate (hopefully in the majority and able to lead on legislation), Biden would be able to broaden his appeal and cultivate allies in the Warren wing of the party.

In other words, shoving Sanders offstage opens up room for party builders and party reformers, putting aside unattainable proposals (e.g., Medicare-for-all) in favor of a smarter, more broadly acceptable agenda. (Biden would not need to fend off a Warren primary challenge, as Barack Obama did with Sanders in 2012.)

The party is never going to make the 15% to 25% of sanders supporters happy. 25% of sanders supporters either voted for trump, voted for a third party candidate like Stein or stayed home


I am tired of trying to appease sanders supporters who are not going to be happy and there are real benefits in moving on and ignoring these voters.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Dear Bernie supporters [View all] NCProgressive Mar 2020 OP
As if there will be anything but a virtual convention. Virtual Molotov cocktails? Right Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #1
Christopher Haines should be reported for Inciting Violence. Cha Mar 2020 #2
Domestic terrorism. Our intelligence community needs to take oasis Mar 2020 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author rampartc Mar 2020 #3
I don't agree with that sentiment. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #4
Please support your comment that a Biden supporter has done the same. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #6
Like the exact same words? AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #10
Not sure why you are posting a vid of Linda Sarsour. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #30
The relevant participant in the video is Lindy Li, Biden Delegate and AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #43
Li and Sarsour sheshe2 Mar 2020 #44
I didn't know much about that specific issue. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #46
It's more than that though, considering the show they made of OnDoutside Mar 2020 #8
I don't think it'll be the same issue at all. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #12
I'd like to think you are right but I have my doubts and that's what is OnDoutside Mar 2020 #19
I will vote for Biden if he's on the ticket. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #20
I was hoping that it would be decided by May but if it isn't sorted OnDoutside Mar 2020 #21
Then we have further work to do on the primary system. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #22
It's just the delay because of CV that is the problem, but then would OnDoutside Mar 2020 #24
Unfortunately SARS-CoV-2 isn't going anywhere. We're going to have to solve the voting problem on AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #27
He quotes Marat and a pro-Bernie website is called Jacobin NCProgressive Mar 2020 #9
Unacceptable. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #16
Links to support your assertion? mcar Mar 2020 #13
Already done. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #15
Wonder if this guy knows how Marat ended up? SCantiGOP Mar 2020 #5
Thank you! AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #14
This is an unstable lunatic Hav Mar 2020 #7
You have your answer right here in this thread. nt William769 Mar 2020 #11
This guy is unhinged showblue22 Mar 2020 #17
That dude has lost his shit, and will be receiving a visit from the SS. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #18
One way to get Sanders supporters is to be condescending to them. Gore1FL Mar 2020 #23
This appears to be his facebook showblue22 Mar 2020 #25
I REPORTED HIM. trueblue2007 Mar 2020 #26
I dont think that has anything to do with Bernie jorgevlorgan Mar 2020 #28
No worries. Bernie supporters won't show up, just like they don't show up to vote. zzzzzzz...n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #29
The jokes gonna be on them when it's revealed there's not going to be a traditional convention. HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #31
Those people existed before Bernie became well known LostOne4Ever Mar 2020 #32
Why does Bernie's campaign attract them and allow them to foment? NCProgressive Mar 2020 #33
Probably because he is giving them a voice they never had before LostOne4Ever Mar 2020 #34
He is really not giving them a voice NCProgressive Mar 2020 #35
A voice means more than just winning or losing LostOne4Ever Mar 2020 #36
2016 was an aberration because of widespread caucuses NCProgressive Mar 2020 #38
He still did far better than was ever expected LostOne4Ever Mar 2020 #40
This guy is a violent nut job. showblue22 Mar 2020 #37
Wow!!!! dware Mar 2020 #39
KnR showblue22 Mar 2020 #42
Andrew Cuomo is now more likely to be the Democratic nominee than Bernie Sanders, Gothmog Mar 2020 #45
From the Hoarse Whisperer Gothmog Mar 2020 #47
For this thread Gothmog Mar 2020 #48
How 'Never Bernie' Voters Threw In With Biden and Changed the Primary Gothmog Apr 2020 #49
The benefit of the Democrats denouncing Sanders's selfishness Gothmog Apr 2020 #50
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