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Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: Dear Joe Biden supporters [View all]Gothmog
(166,964 posts)93. The benefit of the Democrats denouncing Sanders's selfishness
I am tired of sanders and his supporters demanding that we bend a knee and anoint sanders as the nominee. It may be better to simply give up on the 15% who will not vote for any real Democrat and move on
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If you are in the search for silver linings, one benefit of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) pointlessly continuing his losing campaign is the freedom for Democrats to denounce him and his anti-party escapades. After years of humoring him, the vast majority of Democrats, from super-progressives to moderates, can now say out loud what theyve said quietly: It has always been about Bernie. Its not a movement, but rather a vanity project. ....
The problem, according to many Democrats, remains that 15 percent of Sanders supporters say in polling that they would vote for President Trump over Biden. This nugget actually makes the opposite argument: There is nothing that would satisfy some faction of the Sanders coalition that would rather blow up our democracy and reelect Trump. With people so irrational, the best response is to ignore them. They, like the MAGA-hat crowd, are unreachable and cannot be bargained with (e.g., more New Green Deal talk!). So do not try. No more outreach to Sanders, no more promised policy modifications, no more speaking slot at the convention. Enough
This would have some salutary effects.
First, it would make perfectly clear that Biden is not Sanders and not a crazy left-winger, as Trump would like to paint him in the campaign. Biden makes a sharp distinction between the democratic socialist crowd and his own brand of center-left politics. Since he cannot get the 15 percent of Bernie or Bust Democrats (or independents), he might as well make a strong play for moderate independents and disaffected Republicans. Cutting Sanders off effectively allows Biden to pitch to gettable swing voters, not waste time on unattainable Bernie Bros.
Second, freezing out Sanders will make governance in a Biden administration much easier and more cohesive. There will be no debt to be paid to Sanders, no advisers taken on to satisfy Sanders, and no weird and distracting policy initiatives to lead the new administration astray. This would be a center-left administration confident of its own governing agenda and personally cohesive.
Third, it would free up constructive, smart progressive leaders such as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) to lead that wing of the party. She has already begun that process, contributing bankruptcy and student loan forgiveness plans to the Biden campaign. With a practical, crafty progressive in the Senate (hopefully in the majority and able to lead on legislation), Biden would be able to broaden his appeal and cultivate allies in the Warren wing of the party.
In other words, shoving Sanders offstage opens up room for party builders and party reformers, putting aside unattainable proposals (e.g., Medicare-for-all) in favor of a smarter, more broadly acceptable agenda. (Biden would not need to fend off a Warren primary challenge, as Barack Obama did with Sanders in 2012.)
The problem, according to many Democrats, remains that 15 percent of Sanders supporters say in polling that they would vote for President Trump over Biden. This nugget actually makes the opposite argument: There is nothing that would satisfy some faction of the Sanders coalition that would rather blow up our democracy and reelect Trump. With people so irrational, the best response is to ignore them. They, like the MAGA-hat crowd, are unreachable and cannot be bargained with (e.g., more New Green Deal talk!). So do not try. No more outreach to Sanders, no more promised policy modifications, no more speaking slot at the convention. Enough
This would have some salutary effects.
First, it would make perfectly clear that Biden is not Sanders and not a crazy left-winger, as Trump would like to paint him in the campaign. Biden makes a sharp distinction between the democratic socialist crowd and his own brand of center-left politics. Since he cannot get the 15 percent of Bernie or Bust Democrats (or independents), he might as well make a strong play for moderate independents and disaffected Republicans. Cutting Sanders off effectively allows Biden to pitch to gettable swing voters, not waste time on unattainable Bernie Bros.
Second, freezing out Sanders will make governance in a Biden administration much easier and more cohesive. There will be no debt to be paid to Sanders, no advisers taken on to satisfy Sanders, and no weird and distracting policy initiatives to lead the new administration astray. This would be a center-left administration confident of its own governing agenda and personally cohesive.
Third, it would free up constructive, smart progressive leaders such as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) to lead that wing of the party. She has already begun that process, contributing bankruptcy and student loan forgiveness plans to the Biden campaign. With a practical, crafty progressive in the Senate (hopefully in the majority and able to lead on legislation), Biden would be able to broaden his appeal and cultivate allies in the Warren wing of the party.
In other words, shoving Sanders offstage opens up room for party builders and party reformers, putting aside unattainable proposals (e.g., Medicare-for-all) in favor of a smarter, more broadly acceptable agenda. (Biden would not need to fend off a Warren primary challenge, as Barack Obama did with Sanders in 2012.)
The party is never going to make the 15% to 25% of sanders supporters happy. 25% of sanders supporters either voted for trump, voted for a third party candidate like Stein or stayed home
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I am tired of trying to appease sanders supporters who are not going to be happy and there are real benefits in moving on and ignoring these voters.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Another one to add to my ignore list. Guess you won't see this post though. Bye!
zackymilly
Mar 2020
#1
I'd might agree except that there isn't a single upcoming primary in which Sanders can win....
George II
Mar 2020
#4
Have you been reading the news the last week or so? You want to send millions of Americans...
George II
Mar 2020
#14
He can't do that! Congress sets dates for elections.. please stop with this!!
Thekaspervote
Mar 2020
#19
Nobody said that. The primaries aren't all on one day, and more than half have been held....
George II
Mar 2020
#30
In Bernie's view, letting them play out involves continued attacks on "Democratic establishment" and
beastie boy
Mar 2020
#26
Have you seen the terrible cut throat ads, FB & twitter posts sanders and his syncophants are
Thekaspervote
Mar 2020
#13
One Attacks, Ma'am, By Not Giving In To Their Demands 'Bernie' Get What He Wants
The Magistrate
Mar 2020
#64
Your BS and BS supporters voice, is only mere pretext thwarting the overwhelming number
empedocles
Mar 2020
#11
Well I am letting my voice be heard.. enough of this sh*t already from Sanders supporters
Peacetrain
Mar 2020
#28
This isn't a football game, where it's customary to fight bitterly till the clock runs out,
sop
Mar 2020
#42
Concur. And in this democratic process, your candidate has no chance of securing the nomination...
SKKY
Mar 2020
#46
The primaries are over. There is something wrong with Sanders continuing and doing damage to Biden.
LizBeth
Mar 2020
#51
Of course...if you want to elect Trump...will never forgive Sanders for 16 and now this...you are
Demsrule86
Mar 2020
#68
Oh FFS. Bernie's Chances to Win Are Over. A Real Dem Would Cede the Race so Biden Can Pivot to the
Indykatie
Mar 2020
#70
If "democarcy" includes promoting Tara Reade's lies, then I don't want to hear it. n/t
nolawarlock
Mar 2020
#83