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Gothmog

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93. The benefit of the Democrats denouncing Sanders's selfishness
Wed Apr 1, 2020, 06:07 PM
Apr 2020

I am tired of sanders and his supporters demanding that we bend a knee and anoint sanders as the nominee. It may be better to simply give up on the 15% who will not vote for any real Democrat and move on




If you are in the search for silver linings, one benefit of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) pointlessly continuing his losing campaign is the freedom for Democrats to denounce him and his anti-party escapades. After years of humoring him, the vast majority of Democrats, from super-progressives to moderates, can now say out loud what they’ve said quietly: It has always been about Bernie. It’s not a movement, but rather a vanity project. ....

The problem, according to many Democrats, remains that 15 percent of Sanders supporters say in polling that they would vote for President Trump over Biden. This nugget actually makes the opposite argument: There is nothing that would satisfy some faction of the Sanders coalition that would rather blow up our democracy and reelect Trump. With people so irrational, the best response is to ignore them. They, like the MAGA-hat crowd, are unreachable and cannot be bargained with (e.g., more New Green Deal talk!). So do not try. No more outreach to Sanders, no more promised policy modifications, no more speaking slot at the convention. Enough

This would have some salutary effects.

First, it would make perfectly clear that Biden is not Sanders and not a crazy left-winger, as Trump would like to paint him in the campaign. Biden makes a sharp distinction between the “democratic socialist” crowd and his own brand of center-left politics. Since he cannot get the 15 percent of “Bernie or Bust” Democrats (or independents), he might as well make a strong play for moderate independents and disaffected Republicans. Cutting Sanders off effectively allows Biden to pitch to gettable swing voters, not waste time on unattainable Bernie Bros.

Second, freezing out Sanders will make governance in a Biden administration much easier and more cohesive. There will be no debt to be paid to Sanders, no advisers taken on to satisfy Sanders, and no weird and distracting policy initiatives to lead the new administration astray. This would be a center-left administration confident of its own governing agenda — and personally cohesive.

Third, it would free up constructive, smart progressive leaders such as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) to lead that wing of the party. She has already begun that process, contributing bankruptcy and student loan forgiveness plans to the Biden campaign. With a practical, crafty progressive in the Senate (hopefully in the majority and able to lead on legislation), Biden would be able to broaden his appeal and cultivate allies in the Warren wing of the party.

In other words, shoving Sanders offstage opens up room for party builders and party reformers, putting aside unattainable proposals (e.g., Medicare-for-all) in favor of a smarter, more broadly acceptable agenda. (Biden would not need to fend off a Warren primary challenge, as Barack Obama did with Sanders in 2012.)

The party is never going to make the 15% to 25% of sanders supporters happy. 25% of sanders supporters either voted for trump, voted for a third party candidate like Stein or stayed home


I am tired of trying to appease sanders supporters who are not going to be happy and there are real benefits in moving on and ignoring these voters.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Dear Joe Biden supporters [View all] fallout87 Mar 2020 OP
Another one to add to my ignore list. Guess you won't see this post though. Bye! zackymilly Mar 2020 #1
RE: Guess you won't see this post though. Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2020 #9
Stop Already Me. Mar 2020 #2
Please help us out DownriverDem Mar 2020 #7
Because I Hadn't Changed It Me. Mar 2020 #17
The primaries are over. W_HAMILTON Mar 2020 #3
I'd might agree except that there isn't a single upcoming primary in which Sanders can win.... George II Mar 2020 #4
Then what wrong with letting them play out fallout87 Mar 2020 #6
Please Bernie Man DownriverDem Mar 2020 #10
And your constant attacks on BS supporters is fallout87 Mar 2020 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author showblue22 Mar 2020 #23
Who's been accusing Joe of rape! For god's sake. That's not helping trump? Walleye Mar 2020 #29
+++ still_one Mar 2020 #76
Ah, irony. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #36
Have you been reading the news the last week or so? You want to send millions of Americans... George II Mar 2020 #14
By your logic fallout87 Mar 2020 #18
He can't do that! Congress sets dates for elections.. please stop with this!! Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #19
That's ludicrous and nowhere a realistic comparison. George II Mar 2020 #20
Why aren't the primaries as important? fallout87 Mar 2020 #22
My guy won. showblue22 Mar 2020 #24
Don't even try Butterflylady Mar 2020 #60
Nobody said that. The primaries aren't all on one day, and more than half have been held.... George II Mar 2020 #30
Because Mr #2 isn't going to win no matter what. 2naSalit Mar 2020 #79
The primaries are a nominating process, not an election. Walleye Mar 2020 #31
I think these people start Bev54 Mar 2020 #50
I guess I'm so bored that I'm arguing back. Walleye Mar 2020 #54
I agree and I get it Bev54 Mar 2020 #58
This! Rorey Mar 2020 #62
In Bernie's view, letting them play out involves continued attacks on "Democratic establishment" and beastie boy Mar 2020 #26
What's to lose? William769 Mar 2020 #34
EXACTLY! ReformedGOPer Mar 2020 #67
Sure. William769 Mar 2020 #71
Putin definitely is getting his money's worth from his investment in sanders Gothmog Mar 2020 #39
What's there to lose? mcar Mar 2020 #40
It's called time to build an organization for Biden around the country FloridaBlues Mar 2020 #47
Because people will get sick 😷 voting MaryMagdaline Mar 2020 #48
The primary is over Gothmog Mar 2020 #73
Bernie isn't even a member of OUR PARTY so he can butt out any time now 2naSalit Mar 2020 #80
Wrong Bernie man DownriverDem Mar 2020 #5
Attacking Sanders' supporters fallout87 Mar 2020 #8
Have you seen the terrible cut throat ads, FB & twitter posts sanders and his syncophants are Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #13
syncophants? ChubbyStar Apr 2020 #92
? empedocles Mar 2020 #16
Sanders supporters are accusing Biden of rape! showblue22 Mar 2020 #25
And Sanders has done nothing to discourage them! Walleye Mar 2020 #33
Trust me, you all don't need any help with that. nt William769 Mar 2020 #35
How so? NanceGreggs Mar 2020 #59
One Attacks, Ma'am, By Not Giving In To Their Demands 'Bernie' Get What He Wants The Magistrate Mar 2020 #64
Sanders supporters and staffers mcar Mar 2020 #69
Too bad. HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #75
So you're going to vote for Trump out of spite? kcr Mar 2020 #88
Your BS and BS supporters voice, is only mere pretext thwarting the overwhelming number empedocles Mar 2020 #11
What's wrong with it is that this is the kind of crud that helped give us trump. Hoyt Mar 2020 #15
Still trying to get an answer to this: efhmc Mar 2020 #41
Sanders cannot win the nomination. MineralMan Mar 2020 #21
We are also free to ignore the fruitless howling at the moon The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #27
Well I am letting my voice be heard.. enough of this sh*t already from Sanders supporters Peacetrain Mar 2020 #28
So if Warren, Klobuchar or Buttigieg Aquaria Mar 2020 #32
Yes, they were so gracious to Warren, weren't they? mcar Mar 2020 #44
So sanders is going to help trump be re-elected Gothmog Mar 2020 #37
I've heard Bernie's voice enough. Politicub Mar 2020 #38
This isn't a football game, where it's customary to fight bitterly till the clock runs out, sop Mar 2020 #42
To what end? Do you think Sanders can win? Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #43
I absolutely do NOT give a rip what Bernie Sanders or his supporters do..... GitRDun Mar 2020 #45
Concur. And in this democratic process, your candidate has no chance of securing the nomination... SKKY Mar 2020 #46
The Reason Democrats Want Sanders To Stop, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #49
Well said! Walleye Mar 2020 #56
The primaries are over. There is something wrong with Sanders continuing and doing damage to Biden. LizBeth Mar 2020 #51
How is this helpful. gibraltar72 Mar 2020 #52
It Is Not Meant To Help, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #53
My post was blocked in general forum citing my exasperation at gibraltar72 Mar 2020 #55
The Proprietors Don't Want Primary Wranglings Anywhere But Here, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #61
No. This is a sociopathic ego in action. You're welcome. Squinch Mar 2020 #57
This primary is over. You are in denial. :) nt Sloumeau Mar 2020 #63
It's over dude vercetti2021 Mar 2020 #65
Your people were telling Warren to drop out Promisep Mar 2020 #66
Of course...if you want to elect Trump...will never forgive Sanders for 16 and now this...you are Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #68
Oh FFS. Bernie's Chances to Win Are Over. A Real Dem Would Cede the Race so Biden Can Pivot to the Indykatie Mar 2020 #70
For this thread Gothmog Mar 2020 #72
What's stopping you? Kerrycrat Mar 2020 #74
Derp? Still Derp? When will the Derp stop?? Please answer this question. NBachers Mar 2020 #77
I always read profiles. Thank you, that is all. n/t rzemanfl Mar 2020 #78
"Democracy" is a latest talking point. Dream Girl Mar 2020 #81
Democracy is a talking point to you? fallout87 Mar 2020 #82
Absolutely It Is, Sir, In The Mouths Of 'Bernie' And His Wrecking Crew The Magistrate Mar 2020 #84
If "democarcy" includes promoting Tara Reade's lies, then I don't want to hear it. n/t nolawarlock Mar 2020 #83
Yes they are. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #85
Primaries are over Surely you have a link? fallout87 Apr 2020 #94
Haaaaaa! NurseJackie Apr 2020 #95
Well... goodbye. NurseJackie Apr 2020 #96
yawn.... nini Mar 2020 #86
Sorry, but they are indeed effectively over. kcr Mar 2020 #87
Attacking BS supporters only helps tRump fallout87 Mar 2020 #89
How 'Never Bernie' Voters Threw In With Biden and Changed the Primary Gothmog Apr 2020 #90
You are wrong Gothmog Apr 2020 #91
The benefit of the Democrats denouncing Sanders's selfishness Gothmog Apr 2020 #93
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