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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
72. So agree that polls of people who say they'd vote for
Sun Mar 29, 2020, 06:44 PM
Mar 2020

the only names they recognize far ahead are ridiculous.

For two years ahead of 2019 polls and media pieces on Dems 2020 puffed up Sanders as by far the most popular and promising candidate in America because he was the person who'd said he'd be running AND because enough people recognized his name with vague approval among others they didn't. Biden was the other recognized name, when it was included in the choices.

You know, it seems we really do agree on what we want but started with very different assumptions.

My starting point is that what "restoring decency" is shorthand for is overwhelmingly important! Nothing else even comes close. We can't survive much longer as a free people if we do not, which makes it incredibly more immediately imperative right now than wish-list items, such as universal healthcare. A modern society must have UC to be decent, but we didn't already make it happen decades ago because of decline in national decency under Republican domination.

And under Republican domination massive corruption has been embedded and we're perilously close to becoming a failed democracy that wouldn't make it happen. Way too many Americans are now as corrupted as the leaders they choose, from top down and bottom up, shockingly supporting anything their leader does. A world expert on nations that self destruct into vicious authoritarian states, when asked what people should look for said immediately and simply, "Watch out for mean people." Well, mean has become normal.

Obama's election and the midterms, though, still mercifully revealed there is a strong national desire for decency, to restore the old norms, restore stability and embrace needed advances. To do that, though, more people have to once again come to expect honesty and integrity from their public servants and to refuse to accept corruption and dishonorable behavior. And that, of course, is where our next national leader comes in.

When I wondered if Biden would run, what I wanted from him if he did was exactly what he subsequently ran on, what he calls "restoring the soul of America." He's not among the most aligned with my strong liberal views, and he is old and seems tired (he didn't want to run but felt obliged); but in the face of desperate need, I believed he had the stature, integrity and widespread trust and liking to carry off that role. There were others I thought had potential to develop into what we need, but they ran on to-do lists, instead of telling us we must decide this election who we want to be, and it didn't work out that way.

As for what in Biden doesn't reflect me, imo people vastly mistake how important, desirable or possible electing personally pleasing narrow ideological ranges in a president is. Solid liberal ideals, important goals whose time has come, integrity and competence -- ability to come through! -- are what matter and don't fuss the details. The legislative branch will have a whole lot more to say about those than the chief executive, and congress is constructed to broaden their product to somehow reflect the general will and needs of the people who send them.

Anyway, I think an honest, trustworthy president who will appoint hundreds of honest, dynamic, awesomely capable public servants (who will themselves do the same), elevate standards and expectations to where we need them, excite hope and confidence through real achievements, and show us once again what we should demand in those we empower, is exactly what we need to vote for at this critical point. And from that will come everything else we want. But first things first.

So, a different view.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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You and others must be pretty scared shitless of Bernie to keep posting smack about him! zonkers Mar 2020 #1
Why have you chosen Biden as your preferred candidate? George II Mar 2020 #2
I think he can unite this country. It doesn't stop me from being in Bernie's corner. zonkers Mar 2020 #8
Would that be the corner Bernie has painted himself into ? Haggis for Breakfast Mar 2020 #23
+1 sheshe2 Mar 2020 #25
self deleted (responded to wrong post) zonkers Mar 2020 #44
Pretty sure you responded to the wrong poster. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #45
Ohhhh, andto think I missed out on this opportunity to be lectured to . . . . Haggis for Breakfast Mar 2020 #73
Hey Haggis. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #74
Hey, sheshe2 Haggis for Breakfast Mar 2020 #75
Yep. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #76
Thank you! Cha Mar 2020 #48
Irrelevant of your "gotcha" moment or whether or not that may or maynot be true, and I don't think zonkers Mar 2020 #49
hmmm sheshe2 Mar 2020 #50
Hey, pal. No one is saying Joe is not the presumptive nomineee! Why the dis- zonkers Mar 2020 #58
Com'on :) Complaining that Biden choosing not to raise a bunch of Hortensis Mar 2020 #62
Frame it any way you want after the fact. Joe did not know he was going to soar. He gambled. It zonkers Mar 2020 #63
I actually don't understand your point. qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #66
Oh, let's talk about BEFORE the fact then. Joe was 50 points ahead Hortensis Mar 2020 #67
Do I ever agree with you that we need to be in a strong position. And agree with zonkers Mar 2020 #70
So agree that polls of people who say they'd vote for Hortensis Mar 2020 #72
As I read your post, I am hunkered down in a tiny, furnished Manhattan sublet zonkers Mar 2020 #77
Such a shame to have to hunker inside in Manhattan, Hortensis Mar 2020 #78
... mcar Mar 2020 #3
Please change Rebl2 Mar 2020 #4
Edit.. sorry! Cha Mar 2020 #5
Please mind your own business. or not. Why does it bother you so much? zonkers Mar 2020 #9
Wolf in sheep's clothing. BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #15
I see, its your pre requisite for liking Joe is to hate Bernie. Rilgin Mar 2020 #31
Your mind reading act needs work. BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #34
Not mind reading. Just read your conclusion that he is a wolf in sheep clothing. Rilgin Mar 2020 #35
Sorry.. I thought you were posting to the OP. Cha Mar 2020 #47
I blocked him like the other Bernie Bros. More peaceful here now. n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #56
How is it talking smack to point out a voting record? yardwork Mar 2020 #27
100%!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2020 #39
BS Missing 61.3% of the Votes is talking "smack"? BS LOST Cha Mar 2020 #46
Scared shitless of what? treestar Mar 2020 #60
Bernie Sanders is finally number 1 Rollin Mar 2020 #6
I suggest you do that again. George II Mar 2020 #11
So you agree BS shouldn't have missed so many votes? Cha Mar 2020 #12
. George II Mar 2020 #14
I may be wrong, but DUers here likely feel he isn't qualified for CaptYossarian Mar 2020 #16
Welcome to DU, Rollin. calimary Mar 2020 #19
Apropos of nothing, but Rollin appears to have been on DU for 10 years... trc Mar 2020 #32
Yes, 10 years and less than one post per year. Interesting. George II Mar 2020 #33
I only go by post count. In this case it was nine posts. calimary Mar 2020 #68
Happy to see introspection about feelings towards others Rilgin Mar 2020 #37
The Problem, Sir, Is The Attacks On Mrs. Clinton Were Trumped Up Lies The Magistrate Mar 2020 #65
. calimary Mar 2020 #69
I'd go over the TOS again friend. MontanaMama Mar 2020 #28
Seriously... imagine this had been said about any other Democratic nominee!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2020 #40
I see you still don't know the difference between a "nominee" and a "candidate". That's just... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2020 #41
+1000 ehrnst Apr 2020 #82
no llashram Mar 2020 #59
Nominee? That doesn't happen until one gets the delegates needed.... ehrnst Apr 2020 #81
Are you aware of the negative ads, FB and twitter posts bernie keeps posting about Biden? Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #42
Are you suggesting the data is incorrect? Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #71
To be specific, here are the statistics: George II Mar 2020 #7
Bernie Sanders is finally number 1 Rollin Mar 2020 #10
He didn't vote on all those "issues" because he wasn't in Washington at the time.... George II Mar 2020 #13
❌ False! Wrong! ❎ NurseJackie Mar 2020 #17
Interesting how little some know about the workings of the Senate. George II Mar 2020 #18
Civics should be taught in American schools again. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #21
Or their candidate. nt sheshe2 Mar 2020 #51
Nope. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #26
Politics is hard. MontanaMama Mar 2020 #29
THIS sheshe2 Mar 2020 #52
A Man With Principles, Sir, Would Vote 'No' If He was Opposed The Magistrate Mar 2020 #36
When one wants to make a statement, one doesn't skip voting, one votes "present." ehrnst Apr 2020 #80
pffft yaesu Mar 2020 #20
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #22
What's your point? George II Mar 2020 #30
No, but he did vote for appropriations for that war. Got anything else? Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #43
He voted against the Brady Bill x 2. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #53
x5 actually... ehrnst Mar 2020 #64
Bernie pushed Sierra Blanca, made $$ off it, and voted for Iraq military intervention twice... ehrnst Mar 2020 #61
Priorities... dlk Mar 2020 #24
I can't think of a single job i've ever held thucythucy Mar 2020 #38
Biden wasn't my first choice but I don't get Sanders at all amuse bouche Mar 2020 #54
Well... Mike Nelson Mar 2020 #55
... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #57
... Scurrilous Mar 2020 #79
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