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Gothmog

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18. Why did sanders plan fail in Vermont?
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:34 PM
Mar 2020

A deep-blue state’s failure to enact a single-payer system shows why a national version is unlikely to succeed. www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/opinion/bernie-sanders-single-payer.html




The first problem for any single-payer push would be political support: Mr. Shumlin campaigned on a promise to build a single-payer system in Vermont, but the public never quite bought in. An April 2014 survey showed 40 percent support, 39 percent opposition and 21 percent undecided — a lukewarm result for such a major undertaking. That year, Mr. Shumlin barely won the popular vote against an anti-single-payer Republican. As John E. McDonough of Harvard wrote in a perceptive New England Journal of Medicine analysis of the plan’s collapse, “a clear public mandate” for Mr. Shumlin’s health care agenda “was nowhere in evidence.”

One reason the plan lacked strong support was lawmakers were cagey about how to pay for it. The 2011 proposal included no specific financing mechanism, because Mr. Shumlin’s team worried that might kill its chances.

Initial cost estimates were far too optimistic. A 2011 study led by William Hsiao of Harvard found that single-payer could reduce state health care spending by 8 percent to 12 percent immediately and more in later years, resulting in about $2 billion in savings over a decade. But by the time Mr. Shumlin ditched the plan, internal government estimates showed a five-year savings of just 1.6 percent.....

The Vermont plan was done in by high taxes, distrust of government and lack of political support. Any effort by a Sanders administration to enact a single-payer system at a national level would probably be doomed by similar problems.....

But if it couldn’t work in Vermont, with a determined governor, an accommodating legislature and progressive voters, Mr. Sanders will have a tough time explaining why it will somehow succeed on a vastly larger scale. Vermont represents a practical failure on friendly turf, and that is what makes it such a powerful counter to Mr. Sanders’s proposal.

“If Vermont can pass a strong single-payer system and show it works well, it will not only be enormously important to this state, it will be a model,” Mr. Sanders said in 2013.

As it turns out, it was a model. But instead of showing us how it would work, it showed us why it would fail.
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sanders plan was a complete failure in Vermont which is why this plan will not work nationwide.
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ooops. George II Mar 2020 #1
Bernie, aoc, sirota, turner and all those that were fooled...are you listening? Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #2
medicare with an advantage policy is cheaper than the swiss price nt msongs Mar 2020 #3
No it isn't...the deductibles and copays are pretty high...by sis in law owes over a 1200. and she Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #8
Medicare beneficiaries have been paying in for decades, which would Hoyt Mar 2020 #28
We could easily be happy with a plan like that. As long as workers still got the part of their pay brewens Mar 2020 #4
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #5
The question doesn't seem honest to me beastie boy Mar 2020 #6
+1 Just_Vote_Dem Mar 2020 #7
Oohhh.. Thanks for that. Cha Mar 2020 #10
K&R betsuni Mar 2020 #9
Medicare is NOT free zak247 Mar 2020 #11
MFA as proposed is similar to Medicare in that it is a single payer, government run system, BUT... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #13
Sanders just uses the Medicare name for its familiarity draw. Celerity Mar 2020 #14
Precisely. His plan is nothing like the existing Medicare system. He's co-opted the name... George II Mar 2020 #16
He has a bad tendency to falsely mislabel, his biggest error was to cling to his self-labelling as a Celerity Mar 2020 #17
I know a low-income senior who is scraping by every month to keep up w her Medicare payments.... Hekate Mar 2020 #37
Odd BidenBacker Mar 2020 #12
The Swiss tend to be wealthy and are generally healthier than we are mvd Mar 2020 #15
Why did sanders plan fail in Vermont? Gothmog Mar 2020 #18
That was a legislative failure mvd Mar 2020 #20
Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Mar 2020 #22
Wrong mvd Mar 2020 #33
sanders utterly and completely failed to get his magical plan adopted in Vermont Gothmog Mar 2020 #35
All this talk as if the Republicans and conservative half Hortensis Mar 2020 #40
So what kept them from passing "the tax plan to fund it?" ehrnst Mar 2020 #24
Societal savings are not tax revenues and cannot be used to pay for a plan in the real world Gothmog Mar 2020 #36
I understand that the instant "uprising of the proletariat" upon Sanders' swearing in ehrnst Mar 2020 #41
Without a magical voter revolution, none of sanders agenda can be adopted Gothmog Mar 2020 #42
Yep... ehrnst Mar 2020 #44
It's not That they lacked courage. It's that they know math. GulfCoast66 Mar 2020 #29
So what is preventing a "legislative failure" to pass a tax plan M4A at the federal level? ehrnst Mar 2020 #43
Bernie gets very testy when asked about what lessons are to be learned from Green Mountain Care ehrnst Mar 2020 #26
"The Swiss tend to be wealthy"? musette_sf Mar 2020 #19
True about the infrastructure but they are more well off overall mvd Mar 2020 #21
Um. musette_sf Mar 2020 #23
+1000. ehrnst Mar 2020 #25
? mvd Mar 2020 #32
Maybe one reason they are wealthy is because they have a common sense Healthcare system? GulfCoast66 Mar 2020 #30
Definitely not the reason mvd Mar 2020 #31
Well. We actually agree. I'm not intrinsically against MFA. GulfCoast66 Mar 2020 #34
Whoomp there it is. oasis Mar 2020 #27
Wow. Go, Swiss. Hekate Mar 2020 #38
Guess they didn't feel the revolution Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2020 #39
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