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Gothmog

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30. LOL-the real world is a nice place and sanders cannot pay for his program in the real world
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 01:22 PM
Mar 2020

sanders has attempted to introduce this plan and has failed because he cannot pay for his plan in the real world. Such a plan in theory may generate societal savings but such savings would not pay for a program. Governments can only spend tax revenues and/or borrowings. This study does not say how one would pay for such a program in the real world. I note that Prof. Krugman like the concepts of such a plan in theory but notes that taxes will have to be raised a great deal to pay for such a plan
Back in 2016, here is his position Prof. Krugman compares Sanders hoped for health care savings to the GOP tax cuts. http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/19/weakened-at-bernies/?_r=0

On health care: leave on one side the virtual impossibility of achieving single-payer. Beyond the politics, the Sanders “plan” isn’t just lacking in detail; as Ezra Klein notes, it both promises more comprehensive coverage than Medicare or for that matter single-payer systems in other countries, and assumes huge cost savings that are at best unlikely given that kind of generosity. This lets Sanders claim that he could make it work with much lower middle-class taxes than would probably be needed in practice.

To be harsh but accurate: the Sanders health plan looks a little bit like a standard Republican tax-cut plan, which relies on fantasies about huge supply-side effects to make the numbers supposedly add up. Only a little bit: after all, this is a plan seeking to provide health care, not lavish windfalls on the rich — and single-payer really does save money, whereas there’s no evidence that tax cuts deliver growth. Still, it’s not the kind of brave truth-telling the Sanders campaign pitch might have led you to expect.

Today, Prof. Krugman says that such a plan is feasible if you are willing to pay a great deal more in taxes
https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/paul-krugman-explains-why-single-payer-health-care-entirely-achievable-us-and-how
If we went to government provision of all insurance, we’d pay more in taxes but less in premiums, and the overall burden of health spending would probably fall, because single-payer systems tend to be cheaper than market-based."

The amount of higher taxes are not quantified in this article by Krugman. To pay for any such plan will require massive tax hikes

Again sanders has utterly failed in his attempts to get Vermont to adopt his magical single payer plan because the state of Vermont cannot use hypothetical societal saving to pay for this plan. Even Krugman admits that much higher taxes are needed
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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A big, fat K&R! CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2020 #1
Time for senator sanders to go home Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #2
past time...for Sanders to concede. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #3
I teach these college kids. I love these kids, but... B Stieg Mar 2020 #4
I know one person is a small sample. Mr.Bill Mar 2020 #6
If she Rebl2 Mar 2020 #10
Even in a primary? What State? Context would KPN Mar 2020 #12
In California. Never voted in any election. Still. Mr.Bill Mar 2020 #15
Are they even registered? House of Roberts Mar 2020 #7
Hillary gave BS Concessions in the General Election Cha Mar 2020 #5
It's all right. His progressive message was received & noted. rickyhall Mar 2020 #8
Such a terrible person to believe mountain grammy Mar 2020 #11
Exactly. They want to call it communism, but is it that much different than The New Deal? rickyhall Mar 2020 #13
Exactly. mountain grammy Mar 2020 #20
Yup. How could we take him seriously as a candidate? How naive, if not outright foolish KPN Mar 2020 #16
I understand why people are unhappy Skittles Mar 2020 #9
Or Biden. I still like Senator Warren. rickyhall Mar 2020 #14
yup Skittles Mar 2020 #21
Democrats seem to be more objective and vote for proven performance, Joe had that imperfectly in uponit7771 Mar 2020 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author KPN Mar 2020 #18
I know you don't like the guy, and you're far from alone, ramen Mar 2020 #17
Thank you for your honesty. KPN Mar 2020 #19
Sanders' agenda: Its cost -- possibly $60 trillion -- would set a peacetime US record - CNNPolitics Gothmog Mar 2020 #22
Switzerland rejects single-payer in landslide, keeps its version of Obamacare Gothmog Mar 2020 #24
Are we really doing this? ramen Mar 2020 #25
LOL-the real world is a nice place and sanders cannot pay for his program in the real world Gothmog Mar 2020 #30
sanders totally failed in getting his plan adopted in Vermont Gothmog Mar 2020 #31
I presume the countries I listed upthread in the message you ignored entirely ramen Mar 2020 #33
LOL at someone quoting wikipedia on this issue Gothmog Mar 2020 #34
Why has sanders refused or failed to tell us what his magical plan costs? Gothmog Mar 2020 #35
Cool, ok, so the talking-past-repliers behavior is not an exception but is your rule ramen Mar 2020 #36
The study cited is amusing but does not help your case Gothmog Mar 2020 #39
Have you seen BSs new campaign ad? Apparently its showing non-stop Squinch Mar 2020 #26
No.. goddamn it. Any link? ramen Mar 2020 #27
. Squinch Mar 2020 #28
Florida will be interesting Gothmog Mar 2020 #32
This is an unflattering use of Biden's words.. ramen Mar 2020 #37
sanders ad was rated false and is bogus given sanders proposed Social Security cuts Gothmog Mar 2020 #40
K&R betsuni Mar 2020 #29
Biden is leading sanders by a 2 to 1 margin Gothmog Mar 2020 #38
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