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RockRaven

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8. Regardless of exact internal motive, it is not apparently useful for getting rid of Trump.
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 12:30 AM
Mar 2020

What is the priority, getting rid of Trump or fulfilling Bernie's internal motivations? Every Bernie supporter must answer this, in light of the following 2 data points (which admittedly I've seen posted on DU and provisionally accepted as plausible, but have not personally investigated myself):
1) to win the nomination on the the first ballot, Bernie needs a 10% margin of victory in each remaining state, or the equivalent.
2) Bernie is not projected (by 538) to win a majority in any of the remaining states.

So what's the point? Bernie and his supporters will say advancing various policy points.... Sounds good on the surface. What is the COST? Disillusioning Bernie supporters from Biden by repetition over time, encouraging them to sit out the general because their guy didn't get the nomination. That path leads to 4 more years of Trump, and a generational, multi-generational, or permanent deviation of reality from the ideals which Bernie claims to aspire to.

If Bernie wants any Americans, ever, to experience the ideals he espouses, his best chance is to do everything to remove Trump in favor of Biden first, and second do everything he can to move winning-Biden towards his personal agenda/ideals.

But that means subsuming "Bernie" to "Bernie's ideas done in another person's name." Can or will he do that?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Just had an unpleasant thought: [View all] Disaffected Mar 2020 OP
he won't go away Skittles Mar 2020 #1
Nope TheFarseer Mar 2020 #2
He's a senator. showblue22 Mar 2020 #5
He knows that if he runs as an independent, it's four more years of Trump. Jarqui Mar 2020 #3
You think he really cares though? HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #14
I do think he cares. He would not run as an independent against Joe. Jarqui Mar 2020 #18
He's not running as an Independent so he can get Democrat money. Bernie is all about Bernie. zackymilly Mar 2020 #19
He ran for the Democratic nomination because he felt that Jarqui Mar 2020 #20
Many States Have Sore Loser Laws. You Can't Run In a Party Primary... TomCADem Mar 2020 #4
This!! Besides, he doesn't want to work that hard! Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #6
Good to know, Disaffected Mar 2020 #13
I believe part of his agreement Bev54 Mar 2020 #7
Regardless of exact internal motive, it is not apparently useful for getting rid of Trump. RockRaven Mar 2020 #8
If he gives a damn, he will state at the debate that Biden is the man to beat trump. Hoyt Mar 2020 #9
With the crowd restrictions resulting from the corona virus comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #10
I doubt it! Buckeye_Democrat Mar 2020 #11
There are an abundance of things to worry about right now. SergeStorms Mar 2020 #12
Agreed, Disaffected Mar 2020 #17
No worries - He's made it clear that he will support Joe if he is the nominee. aikoaiko Mar 2020 #15
No. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #16
Bernie is no Joe Lieberman iwannaknow Mar 2020 #21
If he does, I'm through with him Polybius Mar 2020 #22
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