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In reply to the discussion: Bernie isn't promising the moon. He's promising to *fight for* the moon. [View all]Gothmog
(166,916 posts)86. The Gauzy Myth of the Sanders Campaign
I never considered sanders to be a serious candidate. sanders has zero major legislative accomplishments in large part because none of his fellow Democrats in Congress support his agenda. I do not understand the concept of a voter revolution . Without such a magical voter revolution, none of sanders' agenda could be adopted and I am not comfortable in relying on a magical voter revolution
I am not only one to doubt the seriousness of sanders as a candidate https://newrepublic.com/article/156883/gauzy-myth-sanders-campaign
After Tuesday night, the undeniable truth is that the entire Sanders campaign was predicated on a gauzy myth. If there were ever hidden armies of would-be Democratic voters yearning for a visionary presidential nominee uncontaminated by the compromises of life, then these Bernie Brigades still remain well camouflaged.
Sure, as Sanders stressed in his Wednesday statement, some of his policies are popular with primary voters. In Michigan, exit polls showed that replacing private health insurance with a government program had the support of nearly 60 percent of the people who went to the polls on Tuesday. But since the February 29 South Carolina primary, most Democratic primary voters have been unwilling to buy the entire Sanders package: politically unattainable goals, such as canceling $1.6 trillion in college debt, combined with attacks on corporate interests and the billionaire class.
After Sanderss two presidential runs, voters possess a pretty clear-eyed sense of who he is. He is a gadfly, a goad, and a left-wing Pied Piper. These can be valuable traits in politics since the moderate, accommodationist wing of the Democratic Party sometimes needs outside pressure to force it to focus on causes larger than the next election. But Sanders was never cut out to be a traditional president forging alliances, brokering compromises, and dealing with the messiness of governing in a bitterly divided democracy. That simply isnt Bernies skill set. And his lifelong rigidity would have become an even larger governing problem if he ever succeeded Trump as president.
What Democratic voters have created by rallying around Biden is the American equivalent of the Popular Front, which, in the 1930s, was a broad, multiparty alliance against fascism in France and other democratic countries. The exit polls from Michigan echo a sentiment found in almost all primariesvoters, by a 58-to-37 percent margin, want a candidate who can defeat Trump more than someone who agrees with them on all issues.....
Sanders will undoubtedly fight on in the hopes that he can shape the Democratic platform. The problem with that strategy is that, even if Biden were to commit to supporting, say, Medicare for All, as a price for party harmony in Milwaukee, it would be a meaningless pledge. Currently, fewer than one-third of the Democrats in the Senate support eliminating private insurance. And if Chuck Schumer succeeds in getting the chamber back in Democratic hands, the new additions to their ranks are likely to be moderates like John Hickenlooper of Colorado, Mark Kelly of Arizona, and Steve Bullock of Montana, none of whom support Medicare for All.
Sure, as Sanders stressed in his Wednesday statement, some of his policies are popular with primary voters. In Michigan, exit polls showed that replacing private health insurance with a government program had the support of nearly 60 percent of the people who went to the polls on Tuesday. But since the February 29 South Carolina primary, most Democratic primary voters have been unwilling to buy the entire Sanders package: politically unattainable goals, such as canceling $1.6 trillion in college debt, combined with attacks on corporate interests and the billionaire class.
After Sanderss two presidential runs, voters possess a pretty clear-eyed sense of who he is. He is a gadfly, a goad, and a left-wing Pied Piper. These can be valuable traits in politics since the moderate, accommodationist wing of the Democratic Party sometimes needs outside pressure to force it to focus on causes larger than the next election. But Sanders was never cut out to be a traditional president forging alliances, brokering compromises, and dealing with the messiness of governing in a bitterly divided democracy. That simply isnt Bernies skill set. And his lifelong rigidity would have become an even larger governing problem if he ever succeeded Trump as president.
What Democratic voters have created by rallying around Biden is the American equivalent of the Popular Front, which, in the 1930s, was a broad, multiparty alliance against fascism in France and other democratic countries. The exit polls from Michigan echo a sentiment found in almost all primariesvoters, by a 58-to-37 percent margin, want a candidate who can defeat Trump more than someone who agrees with them on all issues.....
Sanders will undoubtedly fight on in the hopes that he can shape the Democratic platform. The problem with that strategy is that, even if Biden were to commit to supporting, say, Medicare for All, as a price for party harmony in Milwaukee, it would be a meaningless pledge. Currently, fewer than one-third of the Democrats in the Senate support eliminating private insurance. And if Chuck Schumer succeeds in getting the chamber back in Democratic hands, the new additions to their ranks are likely to be moderates like John Hickenlooper of Colorado, Mark Kelly of Arizona, and Steve Bullock of Montana, none of whom support Medicare for All.
There was never going to be a magical voter revolution and there was never any substance to sanders' campaign or any chance that sanders' agenda would be adopted in the real world

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Bernie isn't promising the moon. He's promising to *fight for* the moon. [View all]
DanTex
Feb 2020
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sanders' agenda is dependent on a magical voter revolution that I would love to understand
Gothmog
Feb 2020
#18
In other words its like how after a rumor that a Walmart store might be closing and they release a
cstanleytech
Mar 2020
#21
Can he also *fight for* eradicating mosquitoes, forgiveness of all credit card debt and mortages,
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#15
Again, I never took sanders to be a serious candidate and do not understand his appeal
Gothmog
Mar 2020
#73
There's no such thing as "fighting", though. It's just something online people made up.
Recursion
Mar 2020
#22
Bernie may not win the entire war but please remember in 2ish years when we have
Sunlei
Mar 2020
#40
If they have the senate majority, I can assure you, it will be very easy for them to obstruct.
HarlanPepper
Mar 2020
#81
Yours being the insulting behavior you consistently point to as "how is this winning over voters"?
LanternWaste
Mar 2020
#41
The Democratic leadership should fight for Medicare for All and the Green New Deal.
BeckyDem
Mar 2020
#71
But it comes across as bribery...offering free stuff in exchange for a vote.
unitedwethrive
Mar 2020
#72
we need no fighting we need actual stuff done, exactly what sanders fails to get done
beachbumbob
Mar 2020
#80
So Bernie is saying he will talk the talk but not actually walk the walk.
Vivienne235729
Mar 2020
#89