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In reply to the discussion: There's not going to be a 'revolution' at the voting booth for Bernie [View all]Gothmog
(170,645 posts)50. Rove funded Nader
I will never forgive nader Rove funded Nader in 2000 and 2004 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/ralph-nader-was-indispens_b_4235065.html
Furthermore, Karl Rove and the Republican Party knew this, and so they nurtured and crucially assisted Naders campaigns, both in 2000 and in 2004. On 27 October 2000, the APs Laura Meckler headlined GOP Group To Air Pro-Nader TV Ads. She opened: Hoping to boost Ralph Nader in states where he is threatening to hurt Al Gore, a Republican group is launching TV ads featuring Nader attacking the vice president [Mr. Gore]. ... Al Gore is suffering from election year delusion if he thinks his record on the environment is anything to be proud of, Nader says [in the commercial]. An announcer interjects: Whats Al Gores real record? Nader says: Eight years of principles betrayed and promises broken. Mecklers report continued: A spokeswoman for the Green Party nominee said that his campaign had no control over what other organizations do with Naders speeches. Bushs people - the group sponsoring this particular ad happened to be the Republican Leadership Council - knew exactly what they were doing, even though the liberal suckers who voted so carelessly for Ralph Nader obviously did not. Anyone who drives a car the way those liberal fools voted, faces charges of criminal negligence, at the very least. But this time, the entire nation crashed as a result; not merely a single car.....
On July 9th, the San Francisco Chronicle headlined GOP Doners Funding Nader: Bush Supporters Give Independents Bid a Financial Lift, and reported that the Nader campaign has received a recent windfall of contributions from deep-pocketed Republicans with a history of big contributions to the party, according to an analysis of federal records. Perhaps these contributors were Ambassador Egans other friends. Mr. Egans wife was now listed among the Nader contributors. Another listed was Nijad Fares, a Houston businessman, who donated $200,000 to the Bush inaugural committee and who donated $2,000 each to the Nader effort and the Bush campaign this year. Furthermore, Ari Berman reported 7 October 2004 at the Nation, under Swift Boat Veterans for Nader, that some major right-wing funders of a Republican smear campaign against Senator John Kerrys Vietnam service contributed also $13,500 to the Nader campaign, and that the Republican Party of Michigan gathered ninety percent of Naders signatures in their state (90%!) to place Nader on the ballot so Bush could win that swing states 17 electoral votes. Clearly, the word had gone out to Bushs big contributors: Help Ralphie boy! In fact, on 15 September 2005, John DiStaso of the Manchester Union-Leader, reported that, A year ago, as the Presidential general election campaign raged in battleground state New Hampshire, consumer advocate Ralph Nader found his way onto the ballot, with the help of veteran Republican strategist David Carney and the Carney-owned Norway Hill Associates consulting firm.
It was obvious, based upon the 2000 election results, that a dollar contributed to Nader in the 2004 contest would probably be a more effective way to achieve a Bush win against Kerry in the U.S. Presidential election than were perhaps even ten dollars contributed to Bush. This was a way of peeling crucial votes off from Bushs real opponent - votes that otherwise would have gone to the Democrat. Thats why the smartest Republican money in the 2004 Presidential election was actually going to Nader, even more so than to Bush himself: these indirect Bush contributions provided by far the biggest bang for the right-wing buck.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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There's not going to be a 'revolution' at the voting booth for Bernie [View all]
Lexblues
Feb 2020
OP
Yes. And BS lost half of his Iowa votes to the new guys. He needs more this time, not fewer.
Squinch
Feb 2020
#7
No. It's simply a statement of fact. If it distracts you from being happy about Joe's showing,
Squinch
Feb 2020
#12
Doesn't change that half his 2016 voters abandoned him. But I guess that isn't something
Squinch
Feb 2020
#15
You seem to need to talk about Joe. I haven't brought him up. Joe's showing is not
Squinch
Feb 2020
#22
Sure. Half your voters have decided they don't want to vote for you any more. Total victory.
Squinch
Feb 2020
#25
You guys keep saying that. But it doesn't change the fact that BS lost half his support.
Squinch
Feb 2020
#30
Actually, BS support likes caucus. Biden's support don't participate in caucus.
krissey
Feb 2020
#42
I don't believe that Biden needs to outperform Buttigieg in New Hampshire.
TexasTowelie
Feb 2020
#66
I didn't hear about Trumpers trapping voters. And I think it's probably bullshit. Care to
Squinch
Feb 2020
#13
I believe Biden is still our best bet. And until Iowa, he had a great chance. Unfortunately, Iowa,
emmaverybo
Feb 2020
#102
In my opinion, if we nominate Bernie, Trump will win with somewhere around 350 electoral votes.
Still In Wisconsin
Feb 2020
#11
I don't think I'll base my one chance to get rid of Filthy Donny on your opinion.
Squinch
Feb 2020
#23
As long as you don't expect your opinion to matter to anyone else either, that's fine.
Kentonio
Feb 2020
#85
Sanders supporters? No. I don't expect them to be influenced by anything but their own opinions.
Squinch
Feb 2020
#88
What are you basing your opinion on? "Facts" that you read around here? Sanders beats trump
JudyM
Feb 2020
#36
What matters is individual states, not popular vote totals. This should be obvious now.
Still In Wisconsin
Feb 2020
#38
Sanders wins MI and probably WI. He took both states last time around & trump won there because of
JudyM
Feb 2020
#40
IF bernie wanted a 'Revolution' he would have done this in his youth..Dear Gawd how long...
samnsara
Feb 2020
#27
It was supposed to be magic revolution, not the regular raggedy running about kind, but magic.
Scurrilous
Feb 2020
#44
It's one thing to show up at college after class and meet your friends but quite another to go to a
UniteFightBack
Feb 2020
#59
When I ask serious Bernie supporters who are our students if they are registered.
redstatebluegirl
Feb 2020
#76
Have read Rick Wilson's new book ? That's exactly what he said, in fact IIRC, he said the high point
OnDoutside
Feb 2020
#79
The truth is, you have no evidence to support your fear based hypothesis
Fiendish Thingy
Feb 2020
#103