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In reply to the discussion: There's not going to be a 'revolution' at the voting booth for Bernie [View all]ehrnst
(32,640 posts)18. We saw all this before with Nader....
On Oct. 13, 2000, 15,000 zealous progressives packed Madison Square Garden for one of Ralph Naders super rallies. They paid $20 each for admission, evidence of their passion, since political rallies are almost always free. That year, many on the left were disappointed with the Democratic nominee for president. Al Gore was a wonky centrist and a stilted speaker who appeared to possess few core principles. For progressives, his association with Bill Clinton, icon of triangulation and political compromise, counted against him. At a time when the left was outraged over our corrupt campaign finance system, Gore was dogged by questions about money hed received from sketchy donors with ties to foreign governments.
At best, Gore offered progressives a continuation of politics as usual. True, the Republican in the race seemed a right-wing buffoon, but Nader told his followers to vote their hopes, not their fears, and his message about citizens banding together to overturn entrenched, amoral corporate interests spoke to many peoples deepest aspirations. Bush and Gore, he said at Madison Square Garden, are both for cracking down on street crime but ignoring corporate crime, which takes far more lives. In response, the crowd erupted in chants of Let Ralph debate! Young people flocked to Nader, and hip musicians played his rallies: The lineup in New York included Eddie Vedder, Patti Smith, and Ani DiFranco, whose 90s cool had not yet evanesced.
Nader concluded his almost hourlong speech by calling the evening the most memorable political rally of the year 2000. Some who were there felt they were witnessing the flowering of an epochal social movement. The protest movement that has been growing on a grassroots level, as evidenced by the World Trade Organization demonstrations in Seattle, reached its political coming-of-age last night, the Village Voice wrote.
At the time, it felt like nothing short of a rebellion against consumer capitalism. Nader had made his name campaigning against the blandishments of corporations, first as a consumer advocate and then as a gadfly political candidate. Who designed this economy, anyway? he asked at Madison Square Garden. I think its time to have it designed as if people mattered, not as if General Motors, Exxon, DuPont, and the other corporations matter!
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Naders movement never constituted a real cross section of the left; even sympathetic observers noted that it was overwhelmingly white. After attending another of Naders massive rallies in Chicago, Salim Muwakkil wrote in the Chicago Tribune, This lack of racial diversity among Nader supporters is particularly striking, given the 66-year-old candidates progressive positions on economic democracy and social justice. Yet plenty of people on the left saw Nader as the eras great political hope. Nader and the Green Party represent the best opportunity in half a century to place a progressive agenda on the national scene, wrote Juan Gonzalez in the left-wing magazine In These Times. He added: It has brought hundreds of thousands of white youth into electoral politics in much the same way that Jacksons Rainbow Coalition movement brought disaffected blacks to the voting booth in the 80s.
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Sixteen years later, supporters of Bernie Sanders would also decry a media blackout on coverage of his enormous campaign events. Thats only one of the obvious and striking parallels between the Nader and Sanders campaigns. Both men were gruff, older leftistsNader, like Sanders, didnt like kissing strangers babieswho became unlikely youth culture heroes. (It helped that both called for free tuition at public colleges.) Nader and Sanders both believed a populist message could draw disaffected nonvoters into the electoral process, promising not just a challenge to the Democratic status quo but a political revolution. In a recent phone interview, Nader called the similarities of his movement and Sanders uncanny.
At best, Gore offered progressives a continuation of politics as usual. True, the Republican in the race seemed a right-wing buffoon, but Nader told his followers to vote their hopes, not their fears, and his message about citizens banding together to overturn entrenched, amoral corporate interests spoke to many peoples deepest aspirations. Bush and Gore, he said at Madison Square Garden, are both for cracking down on street crime but ignoring corporate crime, which takes far more lives. In response, the crowd erupted in chants of Let Ralph debate! Young people flocked to Nader, and hip musicians played his rallies: The lineup in New York included Eddie Vedder, Patti Smith, and Ani DiFranco, whose 90s cool had not yet evanesced.
Nader concluded his almost hourlong speech by calling the evening the most memorable political rally of the year 2000. Some who were there felt they were witnessing the flowering of an epochal social movement. The protest movement that has been growing on a grassroots level, as evidenced by the World Trade Organization demonstrations in Seattle, reached its political coming-of-age last night, the Village Voice wrote.
At the time, it felt like nothing short of a rebellion against consumer capitalism. Nader had made his name campaigning against the blandishments of corporations, first as a consumer advocate and then as a gadfly political candidate. Who designed this economy, anyway? he asked at Madison Square Garden. I think its time to have it designed as if people mattered, not as if General Motors, Exxon, DuPont, and the other corporations matter!
.....................................................
Naders movement never constituted a real cross section of the left; even sympathetic observers noted that it was overwhelmingly white. After attending another of Naders massive rallies in Chicago, Salim Muwakkil wrote in the Chicago Tribune, This lack of racial diversity among Nader supporters is particularly striking, given the 66-year-old candidates progressive positions on economic democracy and social justice. Yet plenty of people on the left saw Nader as the eras great political hope. Nader and the Green Party represent the best opportunity in half a century to place a progressive agenda on the national scene, wrote Juan Gonzalez in the left-wing magazine In These Times. He added: It has brought hundreds of thousands of white youth into electoral politics in much the same way that Jacksons Rainbow Coalition movement brought disaffected blacks to the voting booth in the 80s.
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Sixteen years later, supporters of Bernie Sanders would also decry a media blackout on coverage of his enormous campaign events. Thats only one of the obvious and striking parallels between the Nader and Sanders campaigns. Both men were gruff, older leftistsNader, like Sanders, didnt like kissing strangers babieswho became unlikely youth culture heroes. (It helped that both called for free tuition at public colleges.) Nader and Sanders both believed a populist message could draw disaffected nonvoters into the electoral process, promising not just a challenge to the Democratic status quo but a political revolution. In a recent phone interview, Nader called the similarities of his movement and Sanders uncanny.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/09/ralph-nader-and-the-tragedy-of-voter-as-consumer-politics.html

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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There's not going to be a 'revolution' at the voting booth for Bernie [View all]
Lexblues
Feb 2020
OP
Yes. And BS lost half of his Iowa votes to the new guys. He needs more this time, not fewer.
Squinch
Feb 2020
#7
No. It's simply a statement of fact. If it distracts you from being happy about Joe's showing,
Squinch
Feb 2020
#12
Doesn't change that half his 2016 voters abandoned him. But I guess that isn't something
Squinch
Feb 2020
#15
You seem to need to talk about Joe. I haven't brought him up. Joe's showing is not
Squinch
Feb 2020
#22
Sure. Half your voters have decided they don't want to vote for you any more. Total victory.
Squinch
Feb 2020
#25
You guys keep saying that. But it doesn't change the fact that BS lost half his support.
Squinch
Feb 2020
#30
Actually, BS support likes caucus. Biden's support don't participate in caucus.
krissey
Feb 2020
#42
I don't believe that Biden needs to outperform Buttigieg in New Hampshire.
TexasTowelie
Feb 2020
#66
I didn't hear about Trumpers trapping voters. And I think it's probably bullshit. Care to
Squinch
Feb 2020
#13
I believe Biden is still our best bet. And until Iowa, he had a great chance. Unfortunately, Iowa,
emmaverybo
Feb 2020
#102
In my opinion, if we nominate Bernie, Trump will win with somewhere around 350 electoral votes.
Still In Wisconsin
Feb 2020
#11
I don't think I'll base my one chance to get rid of Filthy Donny on your opinion.
Squinch
Feb 2020
#23
As long as you don't expect your opinion to matter to anyone else either, that's fine.
Kentonio
Feb 2020
#85
Sanders supporters? No. I don't expect them to be influenced by anything but their own opinions.
Squinch
Feb 2020
#88
What are you basing your opinion on? "Facts" that you read around here? Sanders beats trump
JudyM
Feb 2020
#36
What matters is individual states, not popular vote totals. This should be obvious now.
Still In Wisconsin
Feb 2020
#38
Sanders wins MI and probably WI. He took both states last time around & trump won there because of
JudyM
Feb 2020
#40
IF bernie wanted a 'Revolution' he would have done this in his youth..Dear Gawd how long...
samnsara
Feb 2020
#27
It was supposed to be magic revolution, not the regular raggedy running about kind, but magic.
Scurrilous
Feb 2020
#44
It's one thing to show up at college after class and meet your friends but quite another to go to a
UniteFightBack
Feb 2020
#59
When I ask serious Bernie supporters who are our students if they are registered.
redstatebluegirl
Feb 2020
#76
Have read Rick Wilson's new book ? That's exactly what he said, in fact IIRC, he said the high point
OnDoutside
Feb 2020
#79
The truth is, you have no evidence to support your fear based hypothesis
Fiendish Thingy
Feb 2020
#103