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rogerashton

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1. I don't speak for DSUSA, but
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 07:24 AM
Jul 2015
working within capitalism.


Fabian or "revisionist" socialists throughout the 20th Century advocated working within capitalism to transform the system from capitalism to something that would no longer be capitalism -- "Capitalism, . . . will be changed . . . into an order of things which it will be merely a matter of taste and terminology to call Socialism or not," to quote Schumpeter. This was consistently the program of the Socialist Party of the United States before the 1960s. The European Social-Democratic Parties, largely under Marxist influence, in theory rejected both gradualism and Leninism, but their practice was gradualist until the late 20th century. Under the influence of the neoliberal "Washington Consensus" for free-market capitalism those parties pretty much abandoned any attempt to transform capitalism from within by the 1990's; "New Labor," for example.

To the extent that Bernie takes European social-democracy as his model, it is not clear that he envisions any fundamental transformation of the capitalist system into something else. He's old (as I am) and perhaps it is the social-democracy of the 1950's that he has in mind, rather than "New Labor." To transform the Democratic Party into a gradualist socialist labor party would indeed be a "political revolution."

All that said, if DSUSA makes sense for you, go for it.

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I don't speak for DSUSA, but rogerashton Jul 2015 #1
Thank you for that thoughtful post. Right now, the crushing of the middle class and the ignoring of merrily Jul 2015 #2
Raising the floor -- I understand rogerashton Jul 2015 #7
You don't often raise the floor without lowering the ceiling. It's a matter of speed and degree. merrily Jul 2015 #8
We agree. rogerashton Jul 2015 #17
Patrimonial means wealth inherited from a father or other male family member. merrily Jul 2015 #18
More than three words! rogerashton Jul 2015 #21
Come on now. merrily Jul 2015 #22
This sort of "gotcha" quibbling rogerashton Jul 2015 #23
Enemies? That's a surprise. Thanks for letting me know, though. merrily Jul 2015 #24
I happily claim to be a populist/progressive daybranch Jul 2015 #13
Agree: People of all ages and of all kinds can and should unite for their shared vision. merrily Jul 2015 #15
I want to thank the alerter for bringing your OP to my attention, so I could req it. magical thyme Jul 2015 #3
Yet, the OP itself said that the DSAUSA is not a political party. In italics even. merrily Jul 2015 #4
and juror #2 took the time to research and confirm that the OP was correct magical thyme Jul 2015 #5
In my mind, the burden of proof is on the alerter. merrily Jul 2015 #6
on the bright side, the alerter introduced 7 people to the DSAUSA magical thyme Jul 2015 #9
So, in addition to thanking the 7 jurors, I should have thanked the alerter? merrily Jul 2015 #10
you don't have to do anything of the sort, nor did I suggest it. magical thyme Jul 2015 #11
You did indeed. No need for excessive repetition. merrily Jul 2015 #12
Bookmarked for later - thanks! LiberalElite Jul 2015 #14
My pleasure! merrily Jul 2015 #20
Calling out DINOs daybranch Jul 2015 #16
Like you, the DSAUSA believes in working within the existing Democratic Party structure. merrily Jul 2015 #19
Interesting, don't much about them either, but if they work within sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #25
Very true. Kath1 Jul 2015 #26
That seems to be their objective. merrily Jul 2015 #27
Lol, 'all my base' belong to him too. But the idea of the Left infiltrating its own supposed sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #28
We were not pushed out, only pushed resolutely to the side. Third Wayers sure wanted our votes. merrily Aug 2015 #29
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