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leveymg

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38. And that's the propaganda line, the conventional version of events, most of which is a lie.
Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jul 2015

"The Arab spring caught everyone by surprise." - Hardly a surprise. Various agencies of the US, France, and UK have been supporting and directing Syrian, Libyan, Iraqi exile groups for a long time with the expressed goal of regime change. The nearly simultaneous uprisings in Libya and Syria in early 2011 were coordinated through these exiles and state-sponsored opposition groups operating out of London, Paris, Cairo, and Doha. The simultaneous "Days of Rage" and demonstrations were timed and declared by exile group media operating with the coordination of host states, and amplified and spread globally by state-owned media in Qatar. Qatari and Egyptian special forces were on the ground leading and equipping the armed rebellions in eastern Libya, and the Qataris in Syria from almost Day One. Of course, the U.S. bombing and invasion of Iraq during the previous Administrations thoroughly destabilized the region and set up this chain of events. Or, were you unaware of those facts?

"The hope was that it might lead to democracy in totalitarian states, or at least an improvement in that direction. In every nation where it occurred it went differently, as each of these nations is very different." - The chain of events in each of the so-called Arab Spring uprisings in Libya and Syria, along with the arsonists who attacked police stations and snipers who killed both police and demonstrators, enraging the crowds and leading to the introduction of troops, followed almost exactly the same order and timing. If you don't believe me, look at the timelines for both at Wikipedia.

The rest of your mass media-shaped account is vague wishful thinking, and it would take a while to respond in detail. I will say here that I wish that it were as simple as good vs. evil and that the region-wide uprisings of several years ago, and the events since, were simply a matter of blunder and misunderstanding of isolated local events by Washington, Paris and London and our regional "friends." But, I know that isn't the case, any more so than the Vietnam War was simply a series of well-intended errors. Regime change in Shi'ite countries is a cause with some powerful sponsors and international coalitions driving long-term policies that are sure to create further war and mass suffering.



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That is going to be a tough one. djean111 Jul 2015 #1
My reply 11 below summarizes what a group supporting her says. See what you think. merrily Jul 2015 #18
She's given a lot of women's rights speeches worldwide, presumably supported women's rights groups Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #2
Thing is, would it have passed without her speech? merrily Jul 2015 #4
I don't know. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #6
I'm not asking you to look anything up. Thanks for your input, though merrily Jul 2015 #7
"Was instrumental"; "Lead efforts" frylock Jul 2015 #32
This might help... lamp_shade Jul 2015 #3
My first impression is that it reads like a puff piece. See also Reply 4. merrily Jul 2015 #5
I don't think "Correct the Record" is exactly an unbiased source tularetom Jul 2015 #9
Yes, I discerned that immediately, but I summarized it below anyway. See what you think. merrily Jul 2015 #12
You're obviously more focused and less ADHD than I am tularetom Jul 2015 #23
On a closer look, it looks like something that may have been prepared by the Hillary campaign. merrily Jul 2015 #11
This is a RW meme desgined to attack Hillary in an attempt to minimize her expertise. Evergreen Emerald Jul 2015 #8
Her greatest proven expertise was regime change and creating room for the Islamic State leveymg Jul 2015 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Evergreen Emerald Jul 2015 #13
Please self delete and stop posting inappropriately in this group. This is a host request. merrily Jul 2015 #15
I am sorry. Evergreen Emerald Jul 2015 #16
The request was for deletion. merrily Jul 2015 #17
there you go. Evergreen Emerald Jul 2015 #20
Political discussion often seems like an attack to those who disagree. Thank you for deleting. merrily Jul 2015 #22
Not necessarily. Evergreen Emerald Jul 2015 #24
Plenty of discussion is here, just not the kind you tolerate. That's the very reason merrily Jul 2015 #25
Gee, levey, that's the most simplistic analysis of our country's forieng policy I've ever seen. Nitram Jul 2015 #35
And that's the propaganda line, the conventional version of events, most of which is a lie. leveymg Jul 2015 #38
False. A simple question is not a meme of any kind. It's a question. merrily Jul 2015 #14
Apparently the Clinton campaign feels the need to list her "accomplishments" tularetom Jul 2015 #19
I did pare it down. merrily Jul 2015 #26
Correct. The ulterior motive was clear the moment I read it. lamp_shade Jul 2015 #21
Actually, I was trying to fact check an article from KOS that was extremely critical of Hillary. merrily Jul 2015 #27
I think I struck a nerve. lamp_shade Jul 2015 #28
Because a false claim was refuted? Please stop trolling. merrily Jul 2015 #29
Don't EVER call me a troll. lamp_shade Jul 2015 #30
This is a protected group. Imputing bad motives to people whose posts belong here and making merrily Jul 2015 #31
"Please stop trolling" does not mean you are calling the person a troll? Nitram Jul 2015 #33
Why are you involving yourself? merrily Jul 2015 #34
"Involving myself?" Is that what you call a question? Nitram Jul 2015 #36
.... merrily Jul 2015 #37
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