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Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
22. As if the Conservatives weren't bad enough, he seems to identify with UKIP
Sat May 9, 2015, 01:13 PM
May 2015

Messina says, "We won that choice by over 20 points last night...."

The popular-vote percentages were: Conservative 36.9%, Labour 30.4% -- a margin of 6.5 points.

So where does he get 20 points? Well, the Conservatives were in a governing coalition with the Liberal Democrats, but the Lib Dems got only 7.9%, so even if you count them in then "We" still fell well short of a 20-point margin.

No, the only way to make his numbers work is to conclude that he saw himself as helping all the parties to the right of Labour -- including the UK Independence Party, which got 12.9%. The Scottish National Party, at 4.7%, is a social democratic party. If you take Messina's "We" as Cons plus Lib Dems plus UKIP, fighting against Labour plus SNP, then Messina's side won, 57.7% to 35.1%, a bit more than 20 points.

Who is UKIP? UKIP is generally seen as being to the right of even the Conservatives, with a platform that calls for anti-immigrant measures, abolishing the estate tax, etc. These are the people Jim Messina is now calling "We".

Either that, or he can't count.

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Shocking no one, an austerity supporter also supports Hillary. Scuba May 2015 #1
another reason to not support Hillary. Good going, scummy guy roguevalley May 2015 #9
+1 bloomington-lib May 2015 #13
A TORY supporter is now Hillary's brain. Gonna be tough for the hillarians to spin this one Doctor_J May 2015 #11
I recall a time when this FlatBaroque May 2015 #2
that might be the perfect description BrotherIvan May 2015 #32
Our Turd Blossom n/t n2doc May 2015 #3
Nigel Farage knows negative, personal and nasty! carolinayellowdog May 2015 #4
A rerun of: Our Brand Is Crisis Mika May 2015 #5
He speaks of the Tories as "we". And he supports Hillary. stillwaiting May 2015 #6
What did you expect of a 1%er candidate FreakinDJ May 2015 #7
Actually both sides hired American campaign expertise.... Historic NY May 2015 #8
Simply wow! There really is only one major political party here in the USA. jalan48 May 2015 #10
Keep in mind though while Hillary might not make the best president people she would probably be cstanleytech May 2015 #12
We die more slowly. bloomington-lib May 2015 #14
Yeah, the 1% gets what they want and the GOP can tell the hicks in the sticks Liberals are to blame. Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #16
Then there is this. Enthusiast May 2015 #25
And this... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #27
Horrible Enthusiast May 2015 #28
It's the difference between heading for a cliff at 90mph and heading for a cliff at 30mph Lydia Leftcoast May 2015 #21
catering to homophobia in the 1990s vs. doing so in the 2010s carolinayellowdog May 2015 #24
More like its the difference of jumping out of an airplane with a parachute that may work cstanleytech May 2015 #26
That's a general election point. Weve barely started the primary. merrily Jun 2015 #41
My post date Sat May 9, 2015, 12:07 PM cstanleytech Jun 2015 #42
And? That does not negate either of my points. It only makes one of them stronger, merrily Jun 2015 #43
Ok, for the record I am not saying your wrong nor am saying your right. cstanleytech Jun 2015 #44
Yesterday was when I saw this thread. Your deciding the date is all that matters is on you. merrily Jun 2015 #45
Austerity Thespian2 May 2015 #15
Please see Reply 38. merrily Jun 2015 #40
The question that comes to mind is Spirochete May 2015 #17
Obama's 'surrogate son' Reggie Love reportedly in on the Conservative win, too. WorseBeforeBetter May 2015 #18
Where's Enthusiast to say this deserves hundreds of recs? carolinayellowdog May 2015 #19
Jim Messina turned Jim Messin'-It-Up LeftishBrit May 2015 #20
The wealthy and their minions have no country BrotherIvan May 2015 #33
As if the Conservatives weren't bad enough, he seems to identify with UKIP Jim Lane May 2015 #22
Thanks for this, I didn't understand his statement at all whereisjustice May 2015 #29
I don't think he would include UKIP or the LibDems; certainly not together LeftishBrit May 2015 #34
My reasoning was that he said "points" not "seats" Jim Lane May 2015 #35
Hillary and the DLC strike again. merrily Jun 2015 #38
Please see Reply 38. merrily Jun 2015 #39
Great. onecaliberal May 2015 #23
Democrats are doubling down on right-wing strategy because neither party wants whereisjustice May 2015 #30
This does lead one to wonder...... But, I'm voting and everyone else should NOT GIVE UP! KoKo May 2015 #31
Get ready for the smear campaigns against Bernie. sabrina 1 May 2015 #36
You didn't have to wait too long for the smears. merrily Jun 2015 #37
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