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Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
32. I was just told
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 09:50 PM
Mar 2015
Seems that the HRC haters are ,,,,,

operating much like the GOP did in the General Election of 2012 and 2008, that is to say they energy and focus is directed at "anyone but Clinton" as the GOP's energy and focus was "anybody but Obama".


I am getting so sick of the whole "hater" meme, there are many reasons to want anybody but Clinton that neither require nor contain "hate" or "hatred", hate has nothing to do with it, we just want a Democrat that will act like one (or so it would appear having talked to others like myself that don't want her)

Part of my reply, for what it's worth:

I can assure you, hate is not required to wish to pursue a candidate that holds Democratic values on more than social issues, by all appearances such would define Hillary Clinton quite well, financial right, social left. I appreciate that she finally has decided that she doesn't care whom someone marries (although that took quite a bit longer than one might have expected), I am also quite happy that she appears to believe in equality for women and occasionally minorities (as long as she is not running against a person of color and dog whistling seems appropriate to her at the time).

It is not hate that drives me to seek out and wish to vote for someone that does not favor a permanent war status, H1b visas, wage lowering "trade" schemes, entitlement reforms, Corporate superiority and one that has Larry Summers on speed dial. I am blue collar and not an investment banker, so my desire for a candidate that will not make my life worse does not make me a hater, quite the contrary, if I did seek such a candidate I would be rightly classified as a self hating masochist that enjoys losing financial ground while the bulk of his neighbors fall further into poverty.

So, no, most if not all of us not so white collar and wealthy people within the party are not HATERS (whatever that means, I think you are just trying to sound like you have street cred or something to use a term more likely found in my sub-culture than the comfortable neighborhood you appear to call home).

To put it bluntly, it is simply that unlike others, we are not ready for what she offers, the worst of what she offers can be summarized in a bumper sticker that would be (if honesty were the outstanding virtue of her supporters) a favorite to be displayed wherever convenient by them, here is a copy that you can have printed and proudly display while those of us not so keen on Reaganism and corporate personhood continue looking for candidates that might support the rest of us 99% (a pursuit that although possibly Quixotic is by no means an expression of HATE.)

I hope you like it, I am sure it will look good on whichever vehicle you prefer to take out the most.

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Because it's true. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #1
Cause they're nervous about so many people wishing there were someone else? TDale313 Mar 2015 #2
Amen..... daleanime Mar 2015 #4
Surprisingly, their rationale is similar to our history of military invasions under false pretexts RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #24
You give them too much credit. Most are living in a small reality bubble of denial. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #37
Bingo! Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding. n/t 2banon Apr 2015 #41
The oligarchy is loved. L0oniX Mar 2015 #3
I think that is true. The authoritarian followers look to a leader that rhett o rick Mar 2015 #38
The answer is as easy as ABC awake Mar 2015 #5
Reverse Psychology aspirant Mar 2015 #6
They want her to nail down the nomination before too many ugly facts come out tularetom Mar 2015 #7
Because they don't want any other Dem to win when they believe it is 'her time'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #8
Because letting Wall Street choose candidates is ultimate goal of the real ratfuckers whereisjustice Mar 2015 #9
+1 3rd=Way baybeeee Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #10
+1 GoneFishin Mar 2015 #13
That's exactly what it means when they hinge support on "fundraising." Scootaloo Mar 2015 #21
No they want the "corporate bidding" to be over they have bought their candidate and we should STFU Vincardog Mar 2015 #25
Nailed it! L0oniX Mar 2015 #40
And Wall Street has no intentions of letting the loonies near the White House RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #26
Hillary is good cop, Cruz is bad cop. It's all a game to play each side against the middle class whereisjustice Mar 2015 #27
Smart cop / dumb cop show ...entertainment for the oligarchy. L0oniX Mar 2015 #39
Look on her works, ye Proles, and despair!... Cosmic Kitten Mar 2015 #11
They'll need someone to blame if she loses in 2016 nxylas Mar 2015 #12
... 840high Mar 2015 #15
Her record as a progressive is indefensible. They must push the "inevitability" or the "lesser of GoneFishin Mar 2015 #14
The General Election Martin Eden Mar 2015 #16
coronations can't have any legitimate heirs running around MisterP Mar 2015 #17
Because without that narrative, she is as viable as pond scum Android3.14 Mar 2015 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Mar 2015 #19
I had an extended disagreement with one of my good friends on Friday. Maedhros Mar 2015 #20
I have no idea Kalidurga Mar 2015 #22
I keep wondering why there's no Discussion of Bill's Role in Hillary Administration... KoKo Mar 2015 #23
+1 Very good post and spot on! History repeats itself. whereisjustice Mar 2015 #28
Here's a peek at what's going on behind the scenes Oilwellian Apr 2015 #45
Sooo revealing. mylye2222 Apr 2015 #46
Because they leaned the lesson of 2008 well. Try to kill any upstart campain kelly1mm Mar 2015 #29
good point whereisjustice Mar 2015 #30
It's just another version of the "A Liberal (or Progressive) Can't Win a National Election" song dflprincess Mar 2015 #31
I was just told Dragonfli Mar 2015 #32
Excellent response, but the Royalists Loyalists HRC Supporters likely have chosen to "ignore" so 2banon Apr 2015 #42
Why is it so very important to Clinton non-supporters … NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #33
Speaking as a Non-Supporter, I don't take that view at all. 2banon Apr 2015 #43
I don't think that she cannot win. Anyone who is expecting to raise Two and a half BILLION Dollars sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #47
Manny, I guess you missed this one... antigop Mar 2015 #34
I did. Thanks for pointing it out! nt MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #35
I missed it the first time too. H2O Man nails it again... 2banon Apr 2015 #44
It's kind of mind blowing marym625 Mar 2015 #36
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