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AtheistCrusader

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23. If I may, I'd like to elaborate on my previous post.
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 04:22 AM
Aug 2014

It is not meant to apologize for the commentary you see in that thread. I can't do that. But I would like to explain it from another vantage point. You see, I am trying hard to contribute, rather than destroy. To add, rather than inflict context. In that effort, I am going to use a blunt expression that is not flattering, so please know that I do not think Kent is aware of or intends his statement to be taken in this way. But the math works out the same, regardless of intent.

"Fuck you, got mine"

Again, I am certain he does not mean it in that way. I doubt he has any idea that is how 'thank god' comes across to some people, when the follow the logical chain to who did and did not survive, and why, and whether any responsibility can be assigned somewhere.

I'm sure he is genuinely grateful that he survived, and I am sure he genuinely credits god on some level with his survival, and that he means that in a positive way, without any malice toward the people who did not survive.

But I share the frustration you see in that other thread, because, as I said, the math works out the same. If god can be credited whatsoever with the infrastructure and medical expertise that saved him, as well as the circumstances by which he survived, then that has implications for the dead, that are not flattering.

That is why it draws an angry response from someone like me. That was my knee jerk initial emotional reaction when I read the headline/lead paragraph. It sounds monstrously callous and arrogant to me, on first reading. I had to actively suppress that reaction, and look to what he meant, to see that he doesn't mean it that way, and find a shred of anything I could empathize with whatsoever. I firmly believe, because I share the same nature, that the angry responses in that thread are due to the FYGM interpretation of his statement. Hence, the vitriol.

Anyway, like I said, not trying to excuse the anger you see in that thread, just trying to contribute, if that helps with some level of understanding.

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This message was self-deleted by its author Trajan Aug 2014 #1
Yes of course we go to our doctors. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #2
Do you have these outbursts of ignorant nonsense frequently? okasha Aug 2014 #3
um ... NOT true Trajan Aug 2014 #5
Small sects, and a handful of individuals. okasha Aug 2014 #8
The SOP of the interfaith does not allow questioning people's faith or non-faith. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Trajan Aug 2014 #6
I think it would be a good idea to self delete. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #7
Just so people know he did not only credit God. He credited his doctors as well. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #9
IIRC, Trajan was deified by the Senate. rug Aug 2014 #10
The fact that he gave thanks in a religious way seems to absolutely infuriate cbayer Aug 2014 #11
Only measurable in microns. okasha Aug 2014 #12
I don't see anyone taking that position. Link? AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #13
"Fuck you Kent." rug Aug 2014 #15
I wish more compassion was shown to the man instead of mocking him. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #16
It's a new low, using ebola to disprove god. rug Aug 2014 #17
Yeah! I am sure a few will look back at that with a bit of regret. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #18
Oh, but one poster was "hesitant to criticize. " okasha Aug 2014 #19
An impolite simplification of the dichotomy I just described. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #22
If I may, I'd like to elaborate on my previous post. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #23
I appreciate the thought you put in to this poat and appreciate its intent. rug Aug 2014 #34
I believe I read one or two call it religious privilege. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #36
First, I really wish you would not follow me into this group. cbayer Aug 2014 #20
That last paragraph is interesting el_bryanto Aug 2014 #47
It's so predictable as to be funny if I'm in the right mood. Union Scribe Aug 2014 #14
I also find it funny most of the time, but sometimes it so toxic that I cbayer Aug 2014 #21
3-4 leave... msanthrope Aug 2014 #24
Hmm.... I either need to back up or put some people on ignore. cbayer Aug 2014 #26
Glad you didn't get a hide. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #27
Me too. I am generally more careful than this, and my intent was misinterpreted. cbayer Aug 2014 #28
lol. I decided when I have an idea that migyt be mets I will contact you to talk me out of it. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #29
Of course we are being watched. One might even make the case for something beyond cbayer Aug 2014 #30
I think you do just fine here. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #31
I think you can trust your own judgement, justin. cbayer Aug 2014 #32
I am glad your doing well. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #33
Where in Italy are you? Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2014 #51
I am in Sabina, about an hour out of rome. cbayer Aug 2014 #52
Yes, my wife and I spent much of August in our Umbrian flat Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2014 #53
Yes, it is the area where the rapes took place. cbayer Aug 2014 #54
Assisi is one of the foremost tourist destinations in Europe Fortinbras Armstrong Aug 2014 #56
Hopefully we will both have the good fortune to be here next year. cbayer Aug 2014 #57
I say we start about a half dozen threads whining about alert trolling a safe haven. rug Aug 2014 #35
At this point I no longer believe when were are told in religion or AA that Interfaith is not being hrmjustin Aug 2014 #37
Color me an unbeliever as well. rug Aug 2014 #38
I am sorry that it has g8tten to it and at times I have not helped. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #39
You cannot discuss anyththing - any thing - with someone with no interest but agreement. rug Aug 2014 #40
And if you defend yourself you are judt showing your religious privilege. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #41
Name calling is mucher easier than formulating an argument. rug Aug 2014 #42
Sad but true. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #43
And a few more about how posting in a safe haven okasha Aug 2014 #44
Yes! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #45
That is regrettable, but people learn, even if jury by jury. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #48
Good luck to you, Ensign Redshirt. okasha Aug 2014 #49
A noble effort. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #55
kick. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #25
An interesting take. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #46
kick hrmjustin Aug 2014 #50
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