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freshwest

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34. I have owned a gun - in the country, for shooting rattlesnakes only.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 08:03 PM
Mar 2013

I learned a lot about the differences in gun owners in that locality. Some country people were no more likely to shoot anyone or anything for any reason. It was a tool there.

Others were the rural version of gangsters and were indiscriminate in their use of guns, shooting animals for the hell of it, intimidating neighbors and hunting illegally. At that time and place, admittedly years ago, a gun rack mounted in the back of the pickup window was not a threat or show of belligerence. Guns were respected because of their lethality and not brandished by anyone, in fact, there was no CCW or open carry at the time.

As far as crime, I've already described the local criminals, who others had to just endure and stay out of the way of. Perhaps this is what people in city areas with gangs do to endure, as law enforcement in either locale is sketchy and allegiances within communities won't permit them to do much about it. Complain to the law about someone shooting out a yard light for kicks in the country, or hunting from the side of the road at night, and they'll be back at all hours of the day or night, unable to be restrained, unless an agency outside the local area sends in their agents - into a mine field of opposition.

Because of the NRA, the GOP has refused to allow the ATF a regular director:

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/06/nation/la-na-atf-director-20110907

They promote lawlessness by not allowing regulation of anything. There are no absolutes in how people are living, no black and white answers.

I have since moved to an area with plentiful law enforcement. As I have said before, and not to be dismissive of anything, I pay for the best weapons training and guns in the area. We don't have any trigger happy police, we have community policing. The people here do turn in anyone who has hurt anyone - pretty quickly. The PD do welfare checks to make sure elderly people whose friends can't reach on the phone are doing okay, things are relaxed.

Americans live in many different ways, we can't have one size fits all but we can use common sense and remember equality. No one deserves to lose their life because of a gun culture that won't listen to reason - that sees ownership as a sacrament and the only way to be a patriot. I currently know no one that owns - are we not patriots who care about our community?

I agree with your post, Ikonoklast, but you also have a luxury there that many don't have. History and the ability to afford these things, perhaps a home large enough and safe enough to accomodate all that you and your family do. I do appreciate your statement on the anti-government sentiment that is fueling reckless ownership.

What we're seeing a gun culture based on consumerism - status - and intimidation of everyone in view or reach of a bullet. This is an invasion of civil society by right wing media distortion.

What I wish would happen, as well, is that gun owners pay for insurance. Homeowner's insurance pays for loss or damage or accident by most causes at home, but carrying weapons outside the home is not insured, probably. I think insurance should be required to buy a gun, just like a car - and with a background check to determine the likelihood said owner will act recklessly.

True, that may fail. But it may make some think twice. If the law can mandate women go through all kinds of invasive questions and procedures (which I say is wrong) to ask for an abortion, why are no questions asked or no procedures mandated for gun owners?

The argument too, that criminals won't do any of these things, is not valid. Because they could be prosecuted or lose their weapons by not acting responsibly just as a vehicle owner would be.

The problem is the media and the NRA, GOA, conspiracy pundits, etc., fueling fear of government and other people to increase gun sales. A con job was done to get the USA into war in the Middle East. Do any of us think that these lobbyists and media pundits would not sink to that level to sell guns?

I don't.

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I Am A Firearms Owner. [View all] Ikonoklast Mar 2013 OP
isn't it funny that the anti-regulation folks all say they fear the Govt. will know their address Vincardog Mar 2013 #1
I fear that the NRA will do far more damage to lawful ownership of firearms that any other group. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #2
it's a lunatics idea. here's why samsingh Mar 2013 #4
i've been trying to explain that to the gun fuckers, but they're insistent.. frylock Mar 2013 #8
and yet many will support a 'mental health' registry that is open to the public for review samsingh Mar 2013 #13
I would have agreed with you at one time Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #28
great post. thank you. samsingh Mar 2013 #3
Excellent post. I tend to draw the line at carrying guns in public, particularly in cities. Hoyt Mar 2013 #5
I'm a Buckeye, ex-Conneticut via the Western Reserve of Ohio. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #6
DURec. bvar22 Mar 2013 #7
Fee? Just as long as it wasn't punitive, covering the cost of paperwork and administration, nope. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #9
A Fee that YOU don't see as punitive, bvar22 Mar 2013 #15
I believe that can be taken care of, no reason a few dollars should keep anyone from their rights Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #30
Questions...you are in a somewhat unique, but certainly not rare situation.. jmg257 Mar 2013 #10
You should do some research..... rdharma Mar 2013 #11
They are not "arguments", they are about real-life gun owners dealing with reasonable restrictions jmg257 Mar 2013 #12
Like I said........ do some research rdharma Mar 2013 #14
The Garand has a fixed capacity magazine greater then 7 rounds. jmg257 Mar 2013 #16
fixed capacity magazine greater then 7 rounds rdharma Mar 2013 #17
But the GUN is illegal to buy. It has a fixed capacity magazine greater then 7. jmg257 Mar 2013 #18
No it doesn't ......... rdharma Mar 2013 #19
It does. Like an SKS, it has a fixed capacity magazine, often charged jmg257 Mar 2013 #20
Does anyone really care? ellisonz Mar 2013 #21
Depends if anyone wants to buy an M1 or SKS I guess. jmg257 Mar 2013 #22
I don't think the OPs pop even cares that much. ellisonz Mar 2013 #24
Well, he hasn't responded, so maybe. No doubt we need better control. jmg257 Mar 2013 #29
You are concerned about the availability of doc03 Mar 2013 #36
I am not really concerned as I am not affected, and don't plan on being so. jmg257 Mar 2013 #37
The NRA went nuts with the arrival of LaPiere, I quit doc03 Mar 2013 #38
Yes, some people care. Crepuscular Mar 2013 #25
Why do you care? ellisonz Mar 2013 #27
Get a five round en-block...... problem solved. rdharma Mar 2013 #23
IF a gun with a fixed mag greater then 7 is illegal, then it is NOT jmg257 Mar 2013 #26
The M1 Garand does NOT have a fixed magazine! rdharma Mar 2013 #31
I hear you..but I very strongly disagree. Eta jmg257 Mar 2013 #32
"the clip is fed into the receiver, not a magazine" rdharma Mar 2013 #33
'Duh' on my part...tried finding it...no magazine listed as a part for an M1. jmg257 Mar 2013 #35
No "duh" needed. Straw Man Mar 2013 #40
Thanks for your take on it. jmg257 Mar 2013 #41
Hey - just as interesting wrap-up... jmg257 Mar 2013 #39
I have owned a gun - in the country, for shooting rattlesnakes only. freshwest Mar 2013 #34
My grandmother always used a brick wyldwolf Mar 2013 #42
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