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branford

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15. First, with all due respect, you are not the arbiter of whether and what I choose to post.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 08:59 PM
Nov 2014

You cannot wave away the legal requirements, no matter how inconvenient or aggravating. There are a multitude of suggestions that would make our society much safer, more orderly, far less offensive and bigoted, etc., that are simply and unquestionably illegal. Liberty and freedom are very messy and often uncomfortable to many.

The issues are debated in great part because many of the recommendations to protect the public may be or are clearly not lawful. As to who cares, apparently very many, if not the clear majority of Americans, care very much if the proposals by you or others infringe on Constitutional rights.

Rather than lament that the law may get in the way of your ideas, why not try frame your suggestions with the obvious and acknowledged limitations imposed by the Constitution. Alternatively, of course, you are free to advocate the repeal or change of the Second Amendment. However, all the amendment does is limit restrictions on firearms. The amendment could disappear tomorrow, and all that would accomplish is allow Congress or the states to pass greater restrictions. Since most states have generally supported liberal firearm laws and Congress cannot reach consensus on even Constitutional universal background checks, not much would happen in the even of repeal except that the few states with severe restrictions could possibly ban firearms, at least to the extent their own state constitutions and Second Amendment analogs permit such action.

You are the one who wants additional restrictions. Hence, you bear the burden of not only proposing ideas that pass Constitutional muster, but also can achieve sufficient popular support to become law.

As for my suggestions, you already read some. I personally have no objection to clear, non-arbitrary and universal licensees to carry weapons, proof of basic proficiency and knowledge about firearms and self-defense laws, and even universal background checks so long as no registration lists are or can be maintained by the government. If you want to encourage better behavior like safe storage, incentivize it, as I mentioned earlier. I also think the government could do a better job of enforcing the numerous laws already on the books, and will glady support even harsher sentences for the criminal misuse of firearms.

More importantly, I believe the best method to reduce firearms deaths is to stop focusing on the object, and deal with the underlying problems. For instance, a very large portion of firearms deaths are from suicide. It matters very little if someone kills themselves with a gun or other method. Accordingly, better mental health services and financing would help many Americans, and it would not be limited to just firearm issues. Similarly, a better social welfare safety net could provide opportunities and options to many of those who criminally use firearms (primarily young men) before they embark on a life of crime and violence. A reevaluation of our drug laws, and the resultant reduction in the criminalization of much of our populace, certainly couldn't hurt.

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People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Nov 2014 #1
We could be twin brothers of different mothers. flamin lib Nov 2014 #2
Yes...happens everyday... Sancho Nov 2014 #3
Mandatory safe storage is a good idea, GGJohn Nov 2014 #4
Everyone should know if you are dangerous... Sancho Nov 2014 #5
Regarding safe storage, how would that be enforced? GGJohn Nov 2014 #6
Sure there's a right to protect the public from danger... Sancho Nov 2014 #7
You didn't answer my question, GGJohn Nov 2014 #8
Simple... Sancho Nov 2014 #9
I'm all for safe storage laws, but enforcing it is problematic. GGJohn Nov 2014 #10
You are exaggerating.. Sancho Nov 2014 #11
Which rule would you enforce with an ordinance or law? Sancho Nov 2014 #12
Mandatory, unannouced home inspections. ncjustice80 Nov 2014 #23
We know that there are all sorts of "legal" challenges..but here's the thing... Sancho Nov 2014 #24
A few thoughts. branford Nov 2014 #13
Just like always, folks overreach their "rights" but don't answer the question!!! Sancho Nov 2014 #14
First, with all due respect, you are not the arbiter of whether and what I choose to post. branford Nov 2014 #15
Everything I propose is legal... Sancho Nov 2014 #16
Sigh. branford Nov 2014 #17
Sigh... Sancho Nov 2014 #18
The threats you want to quite rightly prevent are already illegal. branford Nov 2014 #19
We are rehashing the same arguments in the book I suggested... Sancho Nov 2014 #20
We're unfortunately talking past each other. branford Nov 2014 #21
I just mentioned the one book because it's convenient...I can give you a bibliography if you like.. Sancho Nov 2014 #22
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