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Yo_Mama

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24. Repeating a lie does not make it true.
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 05:54 PM
Jan 2017

At the time the Constitution was passed, most states were slave states. MA freed all states in 1783 by state SC decision, the first state to do so, although VT had tried (it was unenforced) earlier. The process had only begun in PA, NH, CT & RI by 1787 (new Constitution). It was not until the 1800s that most northern states succeeded in actually freeing all their native slave population.

And in any case, the electoral college prefers small population states over large population states.

The electoral college does not allocate votes strictly by population, but rather by Congressional representation (number of a state's Representatives in the House plus 2 Senators). This is not historically due to slave/non-slave state issues, but to the smaller states knowing that they would essentially be the garbage dump for the others without this arrangement.

The slave state thing came in when the slave states did not allow slaves to vote, but demanded that the representatives be allocated including the slave population. The compromise was the 3/5ths deal, which of course vanished into the trash heap of history as a result of the Civil War.

Your beef is not the electoral college, but the representation of the Senate, which provides smaller states more weight in the election than you would think fair. What citizens of RI or WI might think about the matter might surprise you.

Although the original government of the States (Confederation) did not work well, the barrier to creating a stronger Federal union was the concern of the small states that they would essentially have no say in government of that federal state.

One look at the First Congress of the Unites States (1789) shows that the electoral college in no way preferred states that would turn out to be slave states - instead it reduced their influence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_United_States_Congress#House_of_Representatives_3

The Carolinas and Virginia had 20 seats in the House, out of 64. It was in the SENATE that the smaller northern states had power, because RI had two seats, just like VA.

The US Constitution establishes a split representational scheme varying from degrees of represention by population, from most to least:
House
Presidency
Senate.

It explicitly establishes a president selected by states rather than popular vote. At the time, this was more about power-sharing than slavery. It still is.

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What an interesting idea! KittyWampus Jan 2017 #1
I haven't heard about this until now when I read the article Iamaartist Jan 2017 #2
Why would the media say anything on this? EL34x4 Jan 2017 #23
Saying that he has zero chance of prevailing is overstating his chances onenote Jan 2017 #3
The Constitution doesn't even mention the popular vote.... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #4
Does it mention the Electoral College? brush Jan 2017 #5
Yes, and it defines how it works... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #6
12th Amendment? Not in the original Constitution? brush Jan 2017 #9
12th Amendment only addresses how VP is elected vis-a-vis the Pres... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #12
My question was really is the EC in the original Constitution or was it added later... brush Jan 2017 #16
The Constitution is readily available for free online tammywammy Jan 2017 #19
I think we all know that. I was just asking a simple question to those who responded... brush Jan 2017 #20
The answer is in Article 2. n/t tammywammy Jan 2017 #21
A simple yes or no would've done it. brush Jan 2017 #22
Yes. It also sets January 20 as the date the new president takes office onenote Jan 2017 #7
Nitpicking: yeah, but not right away. mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2017 #30
The Electoral College is sarisataka Jan 2017 #11
The electoral college is a vestige of slavery but this isn't going to work. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #8
How does one sarisataka Jan 2017 #10
Wishful thinking? Fairy dust? Good drugs? What a waste of money and time!!! n/t Yo_Mama Jan 2017 #14
Not fairy dust, more like angel dust. It's a (crack) pipe dream... nt dionysus Jan 2017 #15
Maybe not. It could hightlight the absurdity of the EC to people that don't know... brush Jan 2017 #17
Repeating a lie does not make it true. Yo_Mama Jan 2017 #24
What's the lie you say is being repeated? brush Jan 2017 #25
Electoral college/presidential voting in Constitution was to protect slave states. Yo_Mama Jan 2017 #26
No matter. The EC is still absurd and archaic. It needs to be adjusted or ditched... brush Jan 2017 #27
It will take a constitutional amendment, and I don't see why WI, RI, ND etc Yo_Mama Jan 2017 #28
Won't happen overnight, just as the end of slavery and the ban on women voting... brush Jan 2017 #29
a lawsuit that is summarily dismissed isn't going to help get an amendment passed. onenote Jan 2017 #31
I didn't say that. It'll take a concerted movement to make it happen . . . brush Jan 2017 #32
The Crazy, it is strong in that one. n/t Yo_Mama Jan 2017 #13
It would be better to increase the size of Congress Retrograde Jan 2017 #18
Maybe if they tap their heels 3 times... jmg257 Jan 2017 #33
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