2016 Postmortem

Schema Thing

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3. Sure didn't help.

Sun Jan 8, 2017, 03:49 PM

Jan 2017

I honestly can't say I know whether it was a bad agreement or a good agreement or something in the middle (hopefully leaning to the good side). But I do know it was perceived as bad by a majority of the voters we needed to swing.

I'll never forget hearing Jeff Sessions as the last speaker of the Texas GOP convention, trying to sell Trump (whose name had not been mentioned directly in three days of speeches) as their nominee to the Texas republicans saying "he's going to run to the left of Hillary on some things! Like trade especially!". I think it may have gotten some applause. Certainly didn't get any boos.

So as much as I love Obama and Hillary - this was just another example of high-stakes gambling with our future: "I bet we can get this through AND win the presidency. It's what I committed to for our Richie Rich constitch, so let's go for it....".

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Did Obama's strong support of the TPP up until the election harm Hillary? [View all] Akamai Jan 2017 OP

It didn't register high w voters in the polls I saw, so nope. bettyellen Jan 2017 #1

And major proponents of the TPP outperformed Trump in their respective states... Garrett78 Jan 2017 #33

Russia harmed the election. Period. Nuff said. shraby Jan 2017 #2

Sure didn't help. Schema Thing Jan 2017 #3

I'm betting down-the-road we'll appreciate Obama's support for trade. Canada's Trudea likes TPP. Hoyt Jan 2017 #4

Agreed. I think we'll learn to appreciate a lot about his vision in the next couple years. JHan Jan 2017 #8

I think it was Hillary's past support for TPP that harmed Hillary NobodyHere Jan 2017 #5

She called it the gold standard while she was Secretary of State... JHan Jan 2017 #6

They may be true NobodyHere Jan 2017 #7

Well to be fair, some provisions changed. JHan Jan 2017 #9

What provisions in TPP changed? NobodyHere Jan 2017 #10

I'm not sure, tbh I'm just guessing. JHan Jan 2017 #11

I don't see any indications of important changes in the TPP. At the same time, Akamai Jan 2017 #12

Actually, if you look there were unions, environmentalists, universities, economists, and many more Hoyt Jan 2017 #13

It wasn't all held in secret. JHan Jan 2017 #14

Don't you remember the secrecy of the TPP? with Senators, Congress Persons Akamai Jan 2017 #16

Regarding fast track: JHan Jan 2017 #19

Every major trade agreement since Nixon was negotiated in secrecy, was opposed Akamai Jan 2017 #22

Our representatitives do know: JHan Jan 2017 #23

Senators Brown, Merkley, Warren and Sanders Akamai Jan 2017 #24

And some economists do support it. JHan Jan 2017 #25

no. her suppoet for blm undocumented immigrants and refugees hurt her JI7 Jan 2017 #15

HRC and Obama should have been strong on how they felt about the TPP Rex Jan 2017 #17

Obama was very, very clear all along -- he was hugely for it although when Akamai Jan 2017 #18

The polling and interview I've seen mcar Jan 2017 #20

Look at the dislike of TPP with Trump supporters... Akamai Jan 2017 #21

thats nice, but they still voted for Kasich , johnson over feingold and portman over strickland JI7 Jan 2017 #26

Things are cumulative -- maybe they would have been more likely to vote for Hillary (I think so) if Akamai Jan 2017 #27

Hillary did better than dems who were anti trade and worst than dems who were pro trade JI7 Jan 2017 #28

I thought Hillary was a perfectly fine candidate but I Akamai Jan 2017 #32

I sent Feingold a fair amount of money but Johnson got more and more and more... snowy owl Jan 2017 #29

Wisconsin continually has elected Scott Walker for Governor JI7 Jan 2017 #30

Their hatred of Obama encompasses everything he did or supported ... bettyellen Jan 2017 #37

Now it's Obama's fault. Is there anyone else we need to blame before we get to HIllary? Exilednight Jan 2017 #31

No one's fault but seems okay to try to understand Akamai Jan 2017 #35

It helped cost her the election no doubt taught_me_patience Jan 2017 #34

I guess you are right that coastal dems were not as anti-TPP Akamai Jan 2017 #36

Right, Comey... voter suppression and Russia had NOTHING to do with why she lost :rolleyes: uponit7771 Jan 2017 #38