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2016 Postmortem

OrwellwasRight

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23. Well,

Reply to Nedsdag (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 05:57 PM

Dec 2016

when it is "your turn," why shouldn't you have hubris?

Yes, there was extreme cockiness and entitlement amongst her campaign, but the other elements made a difference too (Comey, wikileaks). Funny thing is, if the Comey and wikileaks had not happened, then HRC probably would have/could have won even with the hubris. And it never would have been examined or blamed or learned from. Now we have an opportunity to do so, but too many don't want to talk about the hubris or take the opportunity to do better.

I'll start. Never campaign on the basis that it is "your turn." Never, ever. It comes across as grotesquely entitled. It will turn people off, even in your own party. There is a mistake we can learn from and not repeat.

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How Analytics Failed Clinton [View all] applegrove Dec 2016 OP

Well, that was a bit of a cock-up, wasn't it? The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #1

How about Robby Mook then? HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #2

If he was the one making those decisions, then yes. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #3

Almost everyone in the campaign leadership except Jake Sullivan and Bill Clinton NWCorona Dec 2016 #6

Oh I think there were 20 reasons for the loss. This is just the latest. And one applegrove Dec 2016 #9

But people are trying to blame anyone and everyone except... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #13

Even the email server mistake wouldn't have come back to bite her The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #14

Exactly-despite the other mistakes and forces beyond their control- Yurovsky Dec 2016 #17

It blows my mind that they can't admit even the tiniest mistake... dionysus Dec 2016 #24

I doubt we will ever see a politician as smart as Bill Clinton ever again AngryAmish Dec 2016 #19

It's like if the Cavs benched LeBron in game 7... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #20

Nope... Clinton didn't county on Comey, Voter Suppression and Russia.. uponit7771 Dec 2016 #4

Any campaign has to consider the possibility of an October surprise, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #7

Not via treason... that's an impossible bar uponit7771 Dec 2016 #11

The Iowa head fake was a nice touch, too BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #5

Hubris. How many times did we hear, "She's got this" on DU? jalan48 Dec 2016 #8

and how many times did we hear we "believed we were smarter?" Which we weren't. Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #10

And the Trump campaign stated in PLAIN ENGLISH... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #18

3 words: Out of Touch. Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #21

On Oct 18, AZ was a tossup HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #22

AZ was never in play. former9thward Dec 2016 #29

Every time I read things like this, it makes me angry. Nedsdag Dec 2016 #12

Well, OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #23

Though I still voted vote her, the HRC die hards here told us to shut up and deal with it Dustlawyer Dec 2016 #26

Hear, hear. OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #28

"Never campaign on the basis that it is 'your turn' ". Ken Burch Dec 2016 #31

And then there was the big red shift between exit polls and the supposed "actual" vote progree Dec 2016 #15

Exit polls are crap mythology Dec 2016 #16

This one was within her campaign's control. They screwed the pooch big time on this. Exilednight Dec 2016 #25

I saw her ads in Kansas citood Dec 2016 #27

It was always delusional to think we were going to flip a ton of red states. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #30