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2016 Postmortem

mythology

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8. There's the issue that there is no evidence that the actual voting wasn't free

Reply to uponit7771 (Original post)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 12:09 PM

Dec 2016

So if you're starting off on a false premise, then your conclusions are also likely to be wrong.

If you are alleging that the vote wasn't free, you need to present compelling evidence as it's just not there when you look at the overall demographics of the election. And you can't just claim that because there is electronic vote counting that it's flawed because the demographics in Michigan with paper ballots matched other states.

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If this election was free and fair then of course someone else could've won it [View all] uponit7771 Dec 2016 OP

"Eeees OK," says Vladimir. tenorly Dec 2016 #1

Someone said Russia and Comey and Voter suppression was nothing new in response to free... uponit7771 Dec 2016 #2

It's amazing how quickly the abnormal can get normalized, even among smart people. tenorly Dec 2016 #3

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #6

If it had been free and fair it could be audited and recounted... Orsino Dec 2016 #4

exactly. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #5

yes uponit7771 Dec 2016 #7

There's the issue that there is no evidence that the actual voting wasn't free mythology Dec 2016 #8

Yes there is, Nate silver not only calculated the 1.2% effect of voter suppression but also the uponit7771 Dec 2016 #9

yet Democrats have failed time and time again to make voter suppression and voter machines a major JCanete Dec 2016 #10

Unnnn, I think in every state they've fought... if you're talking about a campaign issue then uponit7771 Dec 2016 #11

yes, that's what I mean. Fighting at the state level is by itself, likely to be a losing battle. JCanete Dec 2016 #12

+1, I think some of the consensus now is to do some scale tipping ourselves in the most moral uponit7771 Dec 2016 #13

I think that sounds pretty sensible. Places where it has a provable outcome are probably a smart JCanete Dec 2016 #14

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #15