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Warren DeMontague

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19. This was not a conventional wisdom year, that was my original point.
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 07:45 PM
Dec 2016

It's probably the height of pointlessness to speculate on what coulda/woulda/shoulda happened, because at the end of the day we are stuck with what did happen, of course. If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a golf cart, that kind of thing.

However, this idea that there was some damning, deal-breaking amount of Sanders oppo material that would have doomed him... okay, maybe, maybe not. In a normal year a video of a Presidential candidate bragging about "pussy grabbing" would have sunk the candidacy for good. Hell, it almost did. But this wasn't a normal year.

In that context, if (again, speculative territory) if Sanders had been out there making his solid economic case to, say, Rust belt voters, was everyone gonna turn around and freak out because of his marital history (um, trump) or his employment record? So he didn't have a real job until 40... neither did Dubya, if I remember correctly. So what? And the so-called "rape essay". Fuck, don't get me started. That thing was beaten to death and it wasn't ever anything close to the hair-on-fire 5 alarm crisis some people here wanted it to be. And it was already out there, people knew about it and would have had plenty of time to digest the context of the poorly written yet era-appropriate piece of social commentary that it was. And again, it would have been sitting in contrast to "pussy grabbing".... circa just a few years ago. One thing that wouldn't have happened is, James Comey wouldn't have commented on it on October 30. I think we can safely assume that.

Castro? Florida? Well, it's worth noting that Hillary didn't win Florida either, now, did she? (Perhaps letting Debbie Wasserman Schultz go to the times and get all reefer madness against a medical marijuana law that FL eventually passed with over 70% of the voters, wasn't such a good strategic move, but I digress) ... None of that stuff would have mattered nearly as much in 2016 as it would have in, say, 1996. Remember, we had an electorate that already knew that the current Russian administration was in the bag for one of the presidential candidates and it didn't cause a mass freakout- so everyone was gonna lose their shit over Sanders' cold war activities from 35 years ago?

but again, this is all speculation. We'll never know, and frankly neither of them are running again, so my thinking is we need to expand our bench, preferably with younger and more geograpically diverse- particularly vis a vis the underrepresented West Coast- leadership. Time to move on.

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Do you really think Bernie Sanders will run again? underthematrix Dec 2016 #1
I don't have a crystal ball YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #2
I doubt that he will. potone Dec 2016 #3
You are conveniently leaving things out of the mix. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #4
There's an irony to your post vs your avatar. Exilednight Dec 2016 #8
Further... Me. Dec 2016 #27
Socialist is confusing HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #37
Those who say "Americans will never vote for a woman" are revealing their own misogyny. baldguy Dec 2016 #5
Nice hijack. JudyM Dec 2016 #15
Nice drive-by. baldguy Dec 2016 #16
You might want to actually give some thought to the O.P. It's a matter of insensitivity. JudyM Dec 2016 #17
Perhaps if you actually read my post #5 and put some thought in refuting it. baldguy Dec 2016 #23
It is a hijack that you won't own as such. You're not fooling anyone. JudyM Dec 2016 #25
So, you've got false accusations, empty bluster & absolutly nothing to back it up. baldguy Dec 2016 #32
One thing you'll notice about conventional wisdom, no matter how often it is proven wrong Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #6
Poor Jeb! Everyone thought he was the smart one lol now look at him NWCorona Dec 2016 #7
You mean like people ducking guilt Jakes Progress Dec 2016 #9
No, that has nothing to do with what I was saying. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #11
Or you could. Jakes Progress Dec 2016 #13
That he was Jakes Progress Dec 2016 #10
What was the problem, then? Unkempt eyebrows? Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #12
Your post does not address mine. Jakes Progress Dec 2016 #14
This was not a conventional wisdom year, that was my original point. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #19
Again. Jakes Progress Dec 2016 #21
let me see if I can put your logic, here, together. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #22
Funny Jakes Progress Dec 2016 #36
Labels can be useful but they can also become blinders. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #39
That's a tough clip to watch... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #43
Yep. Sanders was simply not a serious contender. duffyduff Dec 2016 #34
""Not with all of the massive baggage he had." YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #35
Her "baggage" was false. Jakes Progress Dec 2016 #38
Honest? Seriously? Yurovsky Dec 2016 #44
Tell me a lie she told. Jakes Progress Dec 2016 #45
His religion has nothing to do with it...he's just far to left in his policies for swing voters NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #18
Well stupid people think a democratic socialist is someone that hates capitalism. Rex Dec 2016 #20
And the really dumb ones mythology Dec 2016 #41
True! And when they 'throw' it in your face you have to look at them like Rex Dec 2016 #42
The ruling class likes the peons hating one another while they enjoy their tax breaks. jalan48 Dec 2016 #24
2016: "Americans will never vote for a narcissistic orange p*ssy-grabbing The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #26
There is a long list of Sanders objections. gordianot Dec 2016 #28
Oh, it's not ME! HassleCat Dec 2016 #29
getting away from the specific people involved, the logic of the o.p. is simply not compelling. unblock Dec 2016 #30
The constitution says MFM008 Dec 2016 #31
Election is over hollowdweller Dec 2016 #33
I'm Jewish and I would never vote for Bernie Sanders Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2016 #40
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