2016 Postmortem

NanceGreggs

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4. You are conveniently leaving things out of the mix.

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 10:08 PM

Dec 2016

Despite what's been posted here a zillion times about the label "socialist" not having the negative connotation it once did, for millions of voters it still carries an extremely negative connotation - one that the GOP would have hammered relentlessly.

JFK was able to transcend the "negative" aspect of being a Catholic in the same way Obama transcended the "negative" of being black, and Bill transcended the "negative" of being a Baby Boomer from the sticks - they all had incredible personal charisma, which Bernie does not have. Their youth also went a long way in garnering the attention of voters. Again, Bernie does not have youth on his side - and you can't pretend that it doesn't matter to voters, because it does.

Had this election become a match-up between Trump and Bernie, remember that Trump latched on to Bernie's idea of tapping into the "anger" of segments of the population - the difference between them being that Trump promised to bring back jobs that are never coming back, appealed to racists, bigots, anti-GLBTers, etc. - things that Bernie never would have done.

Recognizing the way of the world is not revealing one's prejudice - it it simply being realistic.

Will the US ever elect a "socialist Jew"? Who knows. Perhaps a young, passionate, charismatic socialist Jew will come along and capture the "hearts and minds" of a nation. But Bernie was never THAT guy, and it's time to stop pretending he was.

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Those who say "Americans will never vote for a Socialist Jew" are revealing their own prejudice [View all] YoungDemCA Dec 2016 OP

Do you really think Bernie Sanders will run again? underthematrix Dec 2016 #1

I don't have a crystal ball YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #2

I doubt that he will. potone Dec 2016 #3

You are conveniently leaving things out of the mix. NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #4

There's an irony to your post vs your avatar. Exilednight Dec 2016 #8

Further... Me. Dec 2016 #27

Socialist is confusing HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #37

Those who say "Americans will never vote for a woman" are revealing their own misogyny. baldguy Dec 2016 #5

Nice hijack. JudyM Dec 2016 #15

Nice drive-by. baldguy Dec 2016 #16

You might want to actually give some thought to the O.P. It's a matter of insensitivity. JudyM Dec 2016 #17

Perhaps if you actually read my post #5 and put some thought in refuting it. baldguy Dec 2016 #23

It is a hijack that you won't own as such. You're not fooling anyone. JudyM Dec 2016 #25

So, you've got false accusations, empty bluster & absolutly nothing to back it up. baldguy Dec 2016 #32

One thing you'll notice about conventional wisdom, no matter how often it is proven wrong Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #6

Poor Jeb! Everyone thought he was the smart one lol now look at him NWCorona Dec 2016 #7

You mean like people ducking guilt Jakes Progress Dec 2016 #9

No, that has nothing to do with what I was saying. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #11

Or you could. Jakes Progress Dec 2016 #13

That he was Jakes Progress Dec 2016 #10

What was the problem, then? Unkempt eyebrows? Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #12

Your post does not address mine. Jakes Progress Dec 2016 #14

This was not a conventional wisdom year, that was my original point. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #19

Again. Jakes Progress Dec 2016 #21

let me see if I can put your logic, here, together. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #22

Funny Jakes Progress Dec 2016 #36

Labels can be useful but they can also become blinders. Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #39

That's a tough clip to watch... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #43

Yep. Sanders was simply not a serious contender. duffyduff Dec 2016 #34

""Not with all of the massive baggage he had." YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #35

Her "baggage" was false. Jakes Progress Dec 2016 #38

Honest? Seriously? Yurovsky Dec 2016 #44

Tell me a lie she told. Jakes Progress Dec 2016 #45

His religion has nothing to do with it...he's just far to left in his policies for swing voters NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #18

Well stupid people think a democratic socialist is someone that hates capitalism. Rex Dec 2016 #20

And the really dumb ones mythology Dec 2016 #41

True! And when they 'throw' it in your face you have to look at them like Rex Dec 2016 #42

The ruling class likes the peons hating one another while they enjoy their tax breaks. jalan48 Dec 2016 #24

2016: "Americans will never vote for a narcissistic orange p*ssy-grabbing The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #26

There is a long list of Sanders objections. gordianot Dec 2016 #28

Oh, it's not ME! HassleCat Dec 2016 #29

getting away from the specific people involved, the logic of the o.p. is simply not compelling. unblock Dec 2016 #30

The constitution says MFM008 Dec 2016 #31

Election is over hollowdweller Dec 2016 #33

I'm Jewish and I would never vote for Bernie Sanders Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2016 #40