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PoindexterOglethorpe

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5. Here's the problem.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 03:31 AM
Dec 2016

"Religious" can mean very many different things.

I'll state right here that although I was raised Roman Catholic, I long ago left the Church, and I retain a strong antipathy to all who claim religious foundation for how they behave or what they believe.

But here's the real problem: conventional religion tells its adherents that they really shouldn't think for themselves, that they must simply acquiesce to the teachings of their sect. Not to worry. We have the answers. So they say.

Even the most liberal and encompassing of religions ultimately come down to this. Which is why I personally have a huge problem with all organized religions. Okay, so I might go along with 90%, maybe even 95% or what this specific religion teaches. But what about that other 10 or 15%? Should I just shove it aside? Should I allow it to poison my belief in the rest?

For me, personally, (and I cannot stress the personally too much because you may honestly feel somewhat differently) I am not willing to go along with the 90 or 95%. Because to me the 5 or 10% difference really matters.

I want to think for myself. I want to come to my own conclusions If there are those out there who think like me, then GREAT! I want to connect to you. But for you who only disagree with me 5 or 10 or even 20%, I don't think we have all that much difference. Can we talk about it? Can each of us say, I'm okay with our differences? I certainly hope so.

But most organized religions are far more rigid than this. They say: Believe this way.

No if's and's or but's. It's believe, buy into the entire thing or get out. And that's where I depart from conventional religion.

And more to the point of the OP, those religious people are incredibly selective about what matters to them. Just as most religious people are about which parts of the Bible to honor. So, fuck them. I have no use for such hypocrisy.

And as a minor aside, I've had fundamentalist friends absolutely astonished to discover that I, an avowed non-religious person, have moral standards of any kind. Or that I hold to a genuinely higher standard than most people they know. Fuck them.

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These sorts are not truly "religious" CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #1
But it bugs me like crazy that I don't have answers. complain jane Dec 2016 #3
Wrong. They are very religious and extremely Xian. stopbush Dec 2016 #29
Thank you Earthican Dec 2016 #38
this!!!! Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #39
It's not about religion. Dulcinea Dec 2016 #30
So true True_Blue Dec 2016 #37
because he reflects those people's true family values like lie cheat steal etc nt msongs Dec 2016 #2
For the one guy, I think he can't handle a woman in charge. complain jane Dec 2016 #4
very true. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #34
Here's the problem. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #5
Thank you for this. complain jane Dec 2016 #6
I appreciate your support. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #7
being religious doesn't make someone a good person. religious people can be evil JI7 Dec 2016 #8
Yes just pick up a history book lunasun Dec 2016 #17
For some people it is because they are single-issue voters. Willie Pep Dec 2016 #9
Ah! I see a fellow traveler clothed in the seamless garment of life, welcome. TexasProgresive Dec 2016 #11
Thanks for the link! Willie Pep Dec 2016 #31
Choice, hey rights, women's rights get the red out Dec 2016 #10
This Is What Happens When Church and State Merge SDJay Dec 2016 #12
They didn't vote for Trump, they voted for Pence. Lars39 Dec 2016 #13
I'm walking right beside you in disbelief. Frustratedlady Dec 2016 #14
They may never see it . All those talking heads will give them scapegoats and more excuses . They lunasun Dec 2016 #18
Probablybecause his prolifestance? AllenJordan Dec 2016 #15
His politically expedient change to anti-choice. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #27
A lot of religious people are single issue voters. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #16
I agree with what a lot of other people have said, particularly about Single Issue Voting and el_bryanto Dec 2016 #19
I'm old fashioned atreides1 Dec 2016 #28
He promised to appoint judges like Scalia NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #20
I'm a Christian myself. dawg Dec 2016 #21
Two words: Political power. YoungDemCA Dec 2016 #22
Let them know the number of abortions is getting ready to climb LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #23
I was told by a religious nut-job I know OriginalGeek Dec 2016 #24
From all the religous people I have known, most become the "One-issue" type, with abortions being... dmosh42 Dec 2016 #25
It is one of my biggest issues with the support he received. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #26
I would suggest that it could be abortion and/or gay marriage karynnj Dec 2016 #32
Phallocentric religions are like that. Orsino Dec 2016 #33
Obviously Trump is Satan and has fooled them into voting for him, hence their confusion. Rex Dec 2016 #35
For many of these people, being Christian is more a tribal identity thing QC Dec 2016 #36
Tribalism is one of the most corrosive forces on the planet. Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #40
According to exit poll percentages, it's the white evangelicals who gave Trump... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #41
Answer: Because they are hypocrites RonniePudding Dec 2016 #42
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