2016 Postmortem

lapucelle

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19. Yes, but the AARP cover-model standard did work for Sanders.

Reply to Jean-Jacques Roussea (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 14, 2016, 08:37 PM

Dec 2016

I think the well was poisoned by a number of factors, but I suspect many young people heard little other than what used to be an exclusively right wing narrative: Hillary is a corrupt, purely ambitious, self-interested politician who lacks core values. No mistake was ever forgotten, and any evolution in policy positions was characterized as pandering or a flip flop.

I remember Rosaria Dawson's excoriation of Secretary Clinton at Sanders rally here in NY. "Shame on you Hillary Clinton!" I also remember Dr. Song's more generalized characterization of "Democratic corporate whores".

With messages like these coming from our side, worse stuff coming from the Russians and the right, and the FBI fabricating phony potential crimes, I'm sure that it seemed "moral" to some young people to go third party.

"The lesser of two evils is still evil." How often did we hear that talking point? Older folks had heard it already in 2000, so we weren't going to fall for it again. It's a far cry from President Obama's motto, "Do not let the perfect be the enemy of the good."

Every candidate who runs for office is flawed; all humans are flawed. For some reason Hillary was expected to be perfect.

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Youth vote 2008: 66% for Obama / Youth vote 2016 55% for Hillary [View all] Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 OP

The primary! hrmjustin Dec 2016 #1

Exactly. yallerdawg Dec 2016 #2

2008 or 2016? dogman Dec 2016 #3

2016 hrmjustin Dec 2016 #10

Odd since that is the Primary she won. dogman Dec 2016 #14

On this we disagree! hrmjustin Dec 2016 #16

wonder what the exit polls showed? triron Dec 2016 #4

Nor did he have too many primary candidates tearing him down at every turn uponit7771 Dec 2016 #11

3 AM hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #32

perhaps the first stat is one of the main reasons for the second JustinL Dec 2016 #5

The answer is right there in your first sentence. mtnsnake Dec 2016 #6

Looks like difference was in youth vote going to 3rd party candidates triron Dec 2016 #7

2008 anomoly ... what were the 2012 numbers? tia uponit7771 Dec 2016 #8

67% Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #9

Yes, but the AARP cover-model standard did work for Sanders. lapucelle Dec 2016 #19

Romney was literally a stock photo of "Rich White Man in His 60s" Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #22

I saw a round table discussion with a group of first graders concernig the candidates. lapucelle Dec 2016 #23

Even though their policy positions are basically the same, Clinton is... Garrett78 Dec 2016 #12

very good points. spooky3 Dec 2016 #28

Obama was everything Hillary wasn't. Kotya Dec 2016 #13

Sanders would've broke a hip, but Hillary could've really done to invoke those "identity politics" Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #17

But his margin in 2012 narrowed despite his being young, cool, etc. A YUGE factor in 2008 spooky3 Dec 2016 #26

wonder how much triron Dec 2016 #15

Well, for starters, they spent their whole lives in a bubble of anti-Clinton foam... JHB Dec 2016 #18

Excellent points triron Dec 2016 #20

Agree. spooky3 Dec 2016 #27

I think the real damage came from those in the progressive wing lapucelle Dec 2016 #21

And heard her speak against same-sex marriage and pot legalization. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #36

South Park wasn't exactly pro-tRump either pstokely Dec 2016 #24

it humanized him to a degree Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #25

Mr Garrison isn't supposed to beloved pstokely Dec 2016 #29

Do you have a link? ucrdem Dec 2016 #30

If only she endorsed marijuana legalization. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #31

+1000 Eom Arazi Dec 2016 #35

do stoners even come out and vote if weed legalization isn't on the ballot? pstokely Dec 2016 #37

The sad part is that she was a campus rock star while she was SoS. SaschaHM Dec 2016 #33

didn't hurt in 2008 pstokely Dec 2016 #38

HRC waited for about 3 days to get on board after losing the last primary... SaschaHM Dec 2016 #40

you nailed it in your first sentence. there is nothing else. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #34

Samantha Bee's funny explanation... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #39

LOL, oh dear, MUCH shade! Chitown Kev Dec 2016 #41