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2016 Postmortem

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NRQ891

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Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:42 AM Dec 2016

was 'left vs right' giving way to 'populist vs establishment' the message of the 2016 election? [View all]

Think how much things have changed since Bill Clinton ran in 1992 - entities that are now large institutions, hadn't ever been heard of - Yahoo (arguably, has come and gone), Google, Facebook - and even the internet itself

Compare this to the 'old guard' of American companies:

Ford - created 1903

General Electric - 1892

But both of these companies are 49 and 38 years (respectively) newer than the creation of the last political party, the GOP.

Trump didn't just defy the expectations of the Democratic party, he defied the GOP as well, breaking every rule known to politics to do it, at a fraction of the budget. Howard Dean was the first social media candidate, President Obama perfected it. Trump created news cycles with Tweets. Sanders went a very long way with mostly small donors. Jeb Bush had perhaps the largest war chest, yet went nowhere and out with record dispatch. So much so that many have already forgotten him

This election wasn't left vs right, it was populist vs establishment. I remember being bored in 'flyover' territory years ago, nothing but fundamentalist Christian radio for the drive, and tired of my own CDs. But it was interesting, a guy talking about how evangelicals were being 'played' by the GOP, strung along for social issues, but sold out on economic ones, the issues they raise their families on, and pointing out that the biggest 'family value' is feeding it. They're not all as dumb as you think. And they could be shaken out of the GOP, not into this party perhaps, but something else. (a lot of them have already become independent, George Will, for instance)

With the advance of technology, the 'proof of concept' of Trump's completely unconventional campaign style, I would not be shocked to see the rise of a 3rd populist party, somewhat libertarian on social issues but populist on economic ones. I think it could pull 1/4 of Democrats, 1/4 of Republicans, and 1/4 of Independents, giving it parity with other parties almost overnight. Please understand I'm not advocating such a thing, I'm stating that such a possibility is out there and must be considered, when assessing next elections. They say generals always fight the last war, but true preparation means some vision of a possible landscape. Ross Perot tried this in 1992, but it was 15 minutes before the internet, and still in the 'old rules' era. I don't see the 'Reform party' coming back, as it went FUBAR, but something fresh could start up

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Then explain to me why Russ Feingold and Zyper, Teachout lost? Why did every swing state Democrat still_one Dec 2016 #1
Large amount of cash funded non-stop ads calling Feingold the establishment candidate. andym Dec 2016 #6
I was following Teachout's race very closely and can attest to this. PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #10
at least you gave me an answer, though it doesn't hold water. Johnson was the establishment still_one Dec 2016 #11
Knowlegeable voters knew where they stood-- but they are a minority andym Dec 2016 #12
I think people did know the issues. We're just going to disagree. Scott Walker won multiple times still_one Dec 2016 #13
All the Democrats were liberals except Kirkpatrick? PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #15
While I don't completely agree with all your characterizations, I do agree with the point still_one Dec 2016 #18
A lot of republicans thought Hillary was going to win - most people did NRQ891 Dec 2016 #16
donald trump is a celebrity. that is more important than any reason issue IMO msongs Dec 2016 #2
I was also refering to the energy behind Sanders nt NRQ891 Dec 2016 #3
Nearly all GOP incumbents won. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #4
Well said, plus 1 emulatorloo Dec 2016 #5
They got in partially because they were seen as being permissive to the change Trump would bring andym Dec 2016 #7
they didnt really think Trump would win NRQ891 Dec 2016 #17
Rate of incumbent re-election even higher than usual and most Wall Street-friendly candidate ever! Garrett78 Dec 2016 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #9
I agree with everything except the clueless part. I don't think people were clueless. still_one Dec 2016 #14
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