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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Hillary Lost Because ... [View all]Exilednight
(9,359 posts)178. I'll take these on point by point.
She didn’t connect with voters, she didn’t hold enough rallies, she didn’t smile enough, she didn’t debate well, she spent too little time in some states, she spent too much time in the same states. She was too much like Obama, she wasn’t enough like Obama. Her speeches were too subtle, her speeches were over-the-top. She played to the right audience at the wrong time, she played to the wrong audience at the right time.
She didn't connect with voters. Overall, Democratic turnout was down. Compared to Obama in 2012 she received 5% less of the African-American vote and 6% less of the Hispanic vote. Her lack of charisma, ability to connect and forming a coherent message turned off these voters.
I have yet to see anyone claim that she was "too much like Obama", but even Hillary herself admitted that she wasn't a natural politician like Obama or Bill.
Many of her speeches were too subtle and filled with wonky information, which is fine for a wonk like me. When she did try to connect and be more personable it came off as being over the top. She reminds me of Mr & Mrs Edgar who I grew up down the street from. I loved Mrs Edgar because she spoke WITH me, but Mr Edgar spoke AT me. When Hillary spoke, she always reminded me of Mr. Edgar.
She should have focused more on policy, she should have focused more on personality. She went too negative on Trump, she should have gone for Trump’s throat. She had the wrong campaign advisors, she had the wrong spokespeople. She was too confident, she was not confident enough. She wore the wrong clothes, she was too concerned about her appearance. She was too dumbed-down, she was too intellectual.
She should have focused more on policy, or focused more on personality, she didn't do either. She attempted to cut the baby in half, and she came of as if she was searching for that x factor she was lacking. She didn't go too negative on Trump, she screwed up and went after Trump supporters, but again it was the wrong type of negativity and lackluster at best. If you're going to do it, then you go full-bore ahead and aim the candidate. By the time she found the right balance it was too late.
Let's also be honest when saying she did have the wrong advisors. Much of her campaign staff were the same people from 2008, which didn't turnout so great for her. She placed loyalty over competence when it came to picking her staff.
She never came off as too confident, but I would say she did come off as arrogant. A good advisor will TELL their candidate that they never start a sentence when talking to the a large audience with "I KNOW". When you start a sentence that way, you're not talking with people, you're talking AT them.
She shoulda, woulda, coulda won easily if only she’d listened to the Monday morning quarterbacks who have become overnight experts on political campaigns – but only after-the-fact. But that’s always the way. It’s only after the game is called on Sunday afternoon that the experts show up to explain how the team would have gone on to certain victory, had their heretofore silence been heeded.
Many of the "Monday morning quarterbacks" that you so handily dismiss are often right. Many tried to warn the Democratic establishment about these issues, but no one wanted to listen. If they did speak up, especially on this very board, they were automatically labeled "concern trolls". At history has now shown us, those concerns were justified.
When the majority of voters voted for HRC, it seems rather ludicrous to talk about how she went so wrong.
And let’s keep something else in mind. Hillary WON the majority of votes despite the fact that she has been scorned and ridiculed for thirty years without respite, despite the fact that the MSM fawned over Trump and ignored all of his obvious lies, fraud, lawsuits, and conflicts of interest, despite the fact that she was an “uppity woman” competing for a job many consider to be the sole domain of men, despite the fact that she has been cast as a criminal for doing the same things in office her predecessors have done, and despite the fact that the media focused on Benghazi-and-emails while never even mentioning Trump’s inexperience, ignorance of how government works, and his blatant stupidity in respect of every facet of foreign and domestic affairs.
And let’s keep something else in mind. Hillary WON the majority of votes despite the fact that she has been scorned and ridiculed for thirty years without respite, despite the fact that the MSM fawned over Trump and ignored all of his obvious lies, fraud, lawsuits, and conflicts of interest, despite the fact that she was an “uppity woman” competing for a job many consider to be the sole domain of men, despite the fact that she has been cast as a criminal for doing the same things in office her predecessors have done, and despite the fact that the media focused on Benghazi-and-emails while never even mentioning Trump’s inexperience, ignorance of how government works, and his blatant stupidity in respect of every facet of foreign and domestic affairs.
We don't choose our president by the "majority of votes". We chose our president by the Elelctoral College system. It's a system that Hillary should be well familiar with.
I have yet to see anyone call her an "uppity woman", but she does come across as arrogant, much in the same way that Mitt Romney does.
Add into the mix that despite the fact that the FBI, via Comey, declared that HRC was “still under active investigation” for wrongdoing when she clearly wasn’t, that so-called “truth-tellers” like Julian Assange released emails that cast Hillary as the ultimate villain while never saying a word against Trump or his shady dealings with Putin and the PTB in Russia and elsewhere, and that Hillary was accused of having literally murdered scores of political adversaries by so-called “progressives” who regurgitated all of the above, because they’d rather see Trump in the White House than be cheated out of saying “I told you so” to those who didn’t support their candidate-of-choice in the primaries, HRC STILL WON the majority of votes cast.
A candidate has to be able to deal with these things. There are always outside forces at work, and a smart politician knows how to think on their feet and pivot at just the right moment. Instead, Hillary's campaign team spent too much time attempting to work on damage control, which by extension lead to this staying in the news cycle much longer than it should have.
I cannot think of another politician in our country’s history who could have withstood the constant onslaught of lies paraded as truth, three decades of scrutiny by those determined to vilify her, and a never-ending army of nay-sayers set on her destruction – while she STILL went on to win the support of the majority of her fellow citizens.
I can think of many. Our current president walked in on day one with the minority leader claiming that the only thing Republicans have on their agenda is to ensure that President Obama is on a one term president.
So spare me the “Hillary lost because …” bullshit. She didn’t lose – the country did. And so says the majority of those who bothered to vote, as opposed to those who spend their lives on websites bragging about their after-the-fact political expertise.
Hillary lost because of all of the above, and she did lose In January it will be, sadly, Donald Trump who is sworn in as President of the United States. The popular vote means jack in this country, and we all know it.
And just for the record, I did vote. Just to be perfectly clear, I voted for Hillary.
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This is true, but the amateur pundits it's aimed at are not listening.
TreasonousBastard
Nov 2016
#2
Her first full year of responses on the emails absolutely WERE NOT admitting her mistakes.
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#132
The Compact is probably unconstitutional, and likely violates the Voting Rights Act
Grey Lemercier
Nov 2016
#105
Yes... I don't necessarily agree with all of Nance's views, but she certainly makes her argument powerfully and eloquently.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Nov 2016
#83
It's not just Hillary - Democrats in all areas are in the minority...you don't care to find out why?
realmirage
Nov 2016
#6
Wait a minute! The GOP was/is on the brink of disaster. How do Democrats respond to the Nazi Party?
SleeplessinSoCal
Nov 2016
#48
amen, the ... FACT... that she won the popular vote means at ....MOST... there was a tactical error
uponit7771
Nov 2016
#8
That only holds up if the only office is the Presidency and even that only narrowly against
TheKentuckian
Nov 2016
#191
The MEdia was the WORST i i have ever seen it this campaign . Google news search was full of
JI7
Nov 2016
#11
It'll certainly be paying for it for decades if you just sit back and refight the same battle.
Kentonio
Nov 2016
#219
She would have won if she looked at a fucking electoral map. The math wasn't hard. nt
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#46
Orrrrr....simply showed up in those states. But no, she wasn't arrogant at all.
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#90
Did you not abandon DU entirely for a while when you first started losing your popularity?
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#134
People have come and gone and come back again for a number of reasons. I did the same thing too....
George II
Nov 2016
#180
Been here since 2001. Not the friendliest forum I've seen though, took me a while to actually...
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#185
Well quite honestly the post I responded to wasn't exactly the friendliest either.
George II
Nov 2016
#188
Curious posting history, especially since he claims to have been here since 2001 but....
George II
Nov 2016
#195
Because all our resources were focused on "making history" with our Presidential candidate's gender
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#136
Yes, there was a lot of that sort of feeling; that another historic presidency was
Nay
Nov 2016
#183
A lot of that shit was propagated right here on DU; I specifically remember a "bloodbath" post..
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#139
Where in my post did you pick up that I am not aware that Hillary lost the presidency?
JHan
Nov 2016
#214
When did I say I had any interest in controlling what people choose to talk about?
Kentonio
Nov 2016
#226
"And if the answer is always that it's the other person' fault, we'll keep right on losing."
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#145
During the campaign, I was astonished with the negative reaction to some Democrats saying
democrank
Nov 2016
#151
How do we stop the FBI from pulling this shit again? First, there should have already
Nay
Nov 2016
#116
It would have been a bit strange for her not to run given that she was polling in the 60s
StevieM
Nov 2016
#199
The Republicans won the House, the Senate, and the majority of Governorships and ...
dawg
Nov 2016
#78
yes. We need to be better at manipulating the media and framing the argument better
Fast Walker 52
Nov 2016
#156
Considering how much OH went for Trump, not sure picking Sherrod Brown would have helped there.
LisaL
Nov 2016
#162
I haven't been here in months but are the Sanders folks still screaming that he was the only one
Number23
Nov 2016
#171
hillary lost because not all democrats. liberals, and progresives voted for her or didn't vote
beachbum bob
Nov 2016
#176
I fully agree with your point but technically she didn't win a "majority".
tarheelsunc
Nov 2016
#194
The Democrats lost this race when Barack Obama decided to be bipartisan and appointed James Comey
StevieM
Nov 2016
#200
Hillary Lost because of voter fraud - CROSSCHECK run by Kris Kobach eliminating millions
womanofthehills
Nov 2016
#203
The Dem establishment failed to realize the financial hurt people are feeling ...
cliffside
Dec 2016
#231
Hillary won by 2.5 milliion and Trump goes to the White House because cheating.
Coyotl
Dec 2016
#232