2016 Postmortem

Raine1967

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54. He did say it -- I saw the video in this thread. That said:

Tue Nov 22, 2016, 04:13 PM

Nov 2016

WE can't and shouldn't get beyond identity politics as long as women, Latinos, AA. and other marginalized people are considered a lesser Identity in this country.

This is a problem not just in politics -- it's about equality.

I like Bernie but he is missing the point here. We NEED more Women, We NEED more Latinos/Latinas, We NEED more AA people -- we Need more of anything that isn't a white man.

Saying identity politics isn't important is a way to dismiss people who choose to make history because they have been suppressed historically in society.

We are not there yet. Identity politics -- it still means something to a lot of people. Keith Ellson is a perfect example of identity politicians. He never strayed from the fact that he was a Muslim.

I deeply disagree with Bernie about this and have for a long time.

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Bernie Sanders did NOT ... NOT say ditch identity politics !!! [View all] uponit7771 Nov 2016 OP

That's not the quote I've seen BainsBane Nov 2016 #1

I agree, I would like to see a video... the link I posted is the whole thing transcribed though uponit7771 Nov 2016 #2

I posted the video...and I do not agree after watching it. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #4

He went off on her BainsBane Nov 2016 #8

Hmmmm, so "here's the way you can be the 2nd Latino Senator and please fight for the middle uponit7771 Nov 2016 #10

She is a woman. I am sorry but I think that matters to Bernie. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #17

Yep. Me either. And it sounds like he thinks WhiteTara Nov 2016 #27

I think that worst thing in this election is finding out that misogyny exists on the left as well as Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #73

It has been there since the 1960s. duffyduff Nov 2016 #76

I am surrounded by really good guys...hubs, brothers,friends and my son... Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #87

Oh, for Pete's sake. duffyduff Nov 2016 #88

I don't disagree. But the men I have come in contact with were not sexist. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #89

This. Misogyny AND racism... MADem Nov 2016 #94

Teddy stayed in longer in '80 and was far uglier about it. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #48

Good grief. ucrdem Nov 2016 #49

Of course I know what happened 53 years ago. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #53

Well we failed to learn from history then. ucrdem Nov 2016 #66

The lesson of history is NOT that there should be no serious contest for the nomination. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #78

The lesson of 2008 was exactly that. ucrdem Nov 2016 #79

It was never Hillary or nothing. She was never the only possible winner we had. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #81

Are you kidding? She BARELY beat Scott Brown. MADem Nov 2016 #95

I consistently see that particular unsupported allegation. LanternWaste Nov 2016 #122

Bull! Social media wasn't around back then. grossproffit Nov 2016 #55

And Ted Kennedy refused to work with Carter on health care as well Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #59

We couldn't have won if Hillary had faced no primary opposition, either. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #62

We needed to focus on securing the vote. We got distracted. ucrdem Nov 2016 #65

You think so. I don't agree. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #72

It isn't "either/or". Ken Burch Nov 2016 #80

I agree! OhioBlue Nov 2016 #77

And it's Hillary's fault that Obama lost the 2008 election! BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #83

The primary was not even close to as bitter as 16. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #86

Actually Ted's failure to compromise with Nixon on healthcare BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #84

Neither Carter nor Ted would work together. Carter did try in fact. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #85

I remember him giving his stump speech, pretty much. MADem Nov 2016 #108

He has a PROBLEM with powerful women. MADem Nov 2016 #93

Watch the video. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #3

The politico link I posted had this word for word, I do agree the woman part was NOT needed at uponit7771 Nov 2016 #6

I think it is divisive and hurts our party. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #14

I think he is divisive and he hurts our party. WhiteTara Nov 2016 #28

I have to say Schumer made an error on this...no way a non-Democrat should Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #60

an old white man endorsing another old white man. nt WhiteTara Nov 2016 #74

It's not a real leadership role. It's a title with no money or staff. MADem Nov 2016 #97

This proves my point about him being a New Left Marxist. duffyduff Nov 2016 #39

Reminds me of an old general fighting the last war. MADem Nov 2016 #5

I know BainsBane Nov 2016 #7

"...how is it that he doesn't recognize white nationalism as identity politics?" True point... uponit7771 Nov 2016 #9

He shit on women more than once in that mess. MADem Nov 2016 #36

I am in the LEAD, FOLLOW or GET OUTTA THE WAY school of thought MADem Nov 2016 #21

I have zero doubts about that. BainsBane Nov 2016 #22

He knows full well what he is doing. Women and POC don't count in his world. duffyduff Nov 2016 #40

How could he. His political career is deep in identity politics. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #11

Forked Tongue Syndrome otohara Nov 2016 #34

Oh FFS Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #67

I will. Thank you. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #69

Never claimed he was infallible Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #70

He is not my own when... NCTraveler Nov 2016 #71

Wonderful advice. Too bad that Sanders and his diehards didn't heed it before the election. lapucelle Nov 2016 #130

He's to be primaried at that midterm, if his putative challenger steps up. MADem Nov 2016 #98

Howard Dean! lapucelle Nov 2016 #129

Not Howard--if we're lucky he will be DNC chair soon. MADem Dec 2016 #132

Anyone who weaponized a presidential election vote by staying home or going third party lapucelle Nov 2016 #128

Anyone named "Bernie" lapucelle Nov 2016 #127

The main issue is that a lot of left wingers have concluded forjusticethunders Nov 2016 #12

Yeap, Obama and Clinton weren't progressive "enough" and to some that was a call for outright ... uponit7771 Nov 2016 #13

Unfortunately, not being white males and advocating for non-white, non-male interests forjusticethunders Nov 2016 #15

It is all about economics with Bernie... Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #18

I want to see how HE managed his personal economic situation before he MADem Nov 2016 #24

You have to wonder what is in those taxes. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #25

It's not a real leadership position, IMO. MADem Nov 2016 #26

He's been in Congress 20 years metroins Nov 2016 #29

Every time she "addressed," the MEDIA piled on--they're admitting this in MADem Nov 2016 #30

Not the media's fault metroins Nov 2016 #31

Are you KIDDING? "Not the media's fault?" MADem Nov 2016 #33

Because they're not required to metroins Nov 2016 #35

For decades you have been "carefully taught" by that media to hate her. MADem Nov 2016 #41

I don't hate her, I like Hillary metroins Nov 2016 #44

"Blaming external sources for your failure is bad practice." MADem Nov 2016 #50

When it's theft, protect yourself more nt metroins Nov 2016 #52

I think Vladimir reached his high water mark. MADem Nov 2016 #57

Well that makes me feel somewhat better. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #61

I'd like to OriginalGeek Nov 2016 #91

Chuck Schumer didn't just fall off the turnip truck. MADem Nov 2016 #99

Bernie apparently doesn't think race and gender are the most defining factors ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #16

Kellyann has already used Bernie's identity comment. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #19

I also think there are a lot of kind of well meaning leftists forjusticethunders Nov 2016 #20

And that is completely ridculous for them to think that. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #23

Tulsi Gabbard is an Islamophobe. MADem Nov 2016 #42

Yeah she will. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #63

An appalling number of those "leftists" were racists and misogynists Maru Kitteh Nov 2016 #45

That is because he is a 1960s New Left Marxist. duffyduff Nov 2016 #38

Bingo Maru Kitteh Nov 2016 #46

Angela Davis is a Marxist. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #51

It disqualifies her from "being a serious candidate for the Presidency." MADem Nov 2016 #100

How do you not see that that comment is based on the premise kcr Nov 2016 #32

He is a 1960s New Left Marxist. It has never left him. duffyduff Nov 2016 #37

I'm closer to the Marxist Left but I am well aware we have intersectionality issues to work out forjusticethunders Nov 2016 #47

Yes! ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #56

It is all about easy sexual access with the left dudes. You nailed it. duffyduff Nov 2016 #68

The issue is women's autonomy, women are their own persons who make their own decisions forjusticethunders Nov 2016 #75

Those early writings are certainly a clue. nt MADem Nov 2016 #96

I am madly in love with your comments. Thank you! betsuni Nov 2016 #114

I am not okay with how Bernie has behaved post-election. Really childish. Justice Nov 2016 #43

He did say it -- I saw the video in this thread. That said: Raine1967 Nov 2016 #54

Oh, let's beat up on Bernie. THAT'LL end divisiveness. Yep. Sure. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #58

Bernard is the one who offered to work with Trump and gave the speech. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #64

No. Let's be honest about what he is, and what he is not. MADem Nov 2016 #101

"racists and sexists:" From what I hear on DU, there are plenty right here, whatever the class. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #103

What "common good" can be achieved from normalizing a racist/sexist by working with them? MADem Nov 2016 #104

So I take it your answer is "no." Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #105

This is not a "Peace in our time" moment. MADem Nov 2016 #107

Ah, the "Trump camp." Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #109

You seriously think Trump is going to give you health care for all??? MADem Nov 2016 #115

No he won't; that is your fanciful take. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #116

Not one with the power of the executive. MADem Nov 2016 #117

Well, that leaves the path clear: Work with his voting base. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #118

If his voting base margins come from Moscow, let's just reveal that. MADem Nov 2016 #119

I would agree with your proposal, but it wouldn't come near matching 40+ millions. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #121

Margins--not the whole magilla. MADem Nov 2016 #123

Best way to overcome that is to shoot even higher and get bigger margins. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #124

What we need to do is work hard to overcome the only game (besides MADem Nov 2016 #125

It was something of a political moonshot. forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #131

Sanders is correct HassleCat Nov 2016 #82

Often identity politics is a turnstile of approval, not a path to policy and action. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #106

yeh, who needs civil rights, amirite? robbedvoter Nov 2016 #110

We need them HassleCat Nov 2016 #112

Who? nt LexVegas Nov 2016 #90

He's been saying the same thing in various ways for years ecstatic Nov 2016 #92

They got their asses kicked by freaking Donald Trump ... and WE are still the ones who are wrong? nt ieoeja Nov 2016 #102

Well, this presages a looming battle within the Party... Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #111

I don't give a flying shit what Bernie says. Lil Missy Nov 2016 #113

Am I missing something? Kentonio Nov 2016 #120

Here's a fuller excerpt from Sanders's speech, with some context. lapucelle Nov 2016 #126